please help a detailing noob :(

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  1. hayguyz

    hayguyz New Member

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    ok so, my Z just came out of the bodyshop with brand spankin' new paint
    see exhibit A at bottom
    I want to protect the paint in the winter months, but the bodyshop guy is telling me to only polish; that he would never wax a car because it doesnt let the paint breath :noes:

    Other people are telling me I should wash/clay/polish/wax(sealant)

    so what should i do? how can i protect it from the winter salts?

    should i wax it?



    exhibit A:
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    Do that or at least wash, then use Meguiars 3 step. I just found the stuff this summer and I'm in love with it!

    Or wash, clay, then Liquid Glass :dunno: Maybe scottswax ( i think thats his s/n) could help you more then I could.
     
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    n2_space Space > *.*

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    The paint needs to cure first... you should avoid waxing it for however long he said (usually 30-90 days), but you can use something like Meguiar's #80 to polish the paint and will protect it and let it cure at the same time. Whatever you use, it needs to be "bodyshop safe".
     
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    i have zaino Z2 pro polish which is great stuff IMO

    ok so all of you guys wax your cars?

    why is this guy telling me it's bad to wax car, he says it will make the paint go bad because it cant breath
     
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    n2_space Space > *.*

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    It has to cure first after repainting... after that it's fine. That is most likely what he meant. I don't think Z2 is body shop safe.
     
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    hayguyz New Member

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    no, he meant after it has cured to not wax it at all, just to polish.

    what is body shop safe? why wouldnt the zaino Z2 polish be safe?
     
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    Then he is on crack. Once the paint has cured, you can and should wax/seal the paint.

    Body shop safe products allow the paint to "breathe" and cure. The product should tell you it is body shop safe. Some products contain ingredients that do not allow this and are not "body shop safe"
     
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    Scottwax Making detailing great again! Moderator

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    Zaino Z2 is not a good choice for fresh repaints. It will seal the paint and not allow it to cure properly. Improperly cured paint is softer than it is supposed to be and can end up with a permanent cloudy look if the solvents are not completely evaporated during the curing process.

    Z2 is not a polish, it is a sealant. Just like Wax Shop's Super Glaze is actually a wax. :hsd:

    Meguiars #80 is a polish with fresh paint polymer protection that will allow the paint to cure.

    New cars can be waxed right away though since the paint is baked on at a much higher temperature so it is basically cured by the time it gets to the dealer.

    Just FYI, while Z2 will probably give you the best protection, on a non metallic red, other products (carnauba based) will look better, IMO.
     
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    what routine would you recommend for my red paint?

    so you're saying i should ditch the Z2?

    3 months of #80

    and then switch to:
    |Sonus SFX-3 Final Finish Polish| followed by |P21S Carnauba Wax|


     
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    Scottwax Making detailing great again! Moderator

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    Optimum Polish > #80 > Clearkote's Red Machine Glaze > any of these:

    Carnauba Moose Wax
    Optimum Car Wax
    Pinnacle Souveran
    Collinite 845 Insulator wax (the most durable carnauba, pretty close to Zaino)
    Poorboy's EX w/carnauba

    Click on the photohost gallery in my sig, lots of red cars in there with the combos (including pad choice) listed.
     
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    so basically you're saying i should ditch the Z2, heh

    also im confused, isnt #80 a glaze? why would i need to use two different glazes?
     
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    Scottwax Making detailing great again! Moderator

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    If Z2 makes you happy, keep using it. I'm just mentioning what looks best to me on red.

    #80 has more cutting power than a traditional glaze and RMG adds even more depth to the paint.
     
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    is it safe for me to always use #80?
    will it kill my clearcoat prematurely? this was a pretty expensive paintjob, i want to take good care of it :)
    also, i have to use a polish before the glaze? is this to clean off the old wax?
     
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    this is what i have right now, should i toss this stuff?
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    no answer?
     
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    The general consensus is that meguiars in burgandy packaging sucks.
     
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    Scottwax Making detailing great again! Moderator

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    It doesn't suck, Meguiars consumer line is formulated to work best by hand. However, machine polishing with the proper products using the correct techniques will do a lot better job.
     

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