A&P Photos from that Fashion show I asked for help on...

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  1. the Rosswog

    the Rosswog OT Supporter

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    My very first time shooting 1. people 2. with a flash 3. in complete darkness.

    C&C welcome... enjoy

    all photos taken with Canon 30D / 17-40F4 L / 580EX II / DIY bounce card (www.abetterbouncecard.com)

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    two of my clients

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    my girl kissing my client :noes: actually they're best friends

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    Wiz Khalifa - local rap artist just got signed to Warner Bros. Records - http://www.myspace.com/wizkhalifa

    for the record, i'm not into the hip hop scene... I built this boutique's web site - http://www.ulteriormotivepgh.com
     
  2. Hua

    Hua AZN photographer crew

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    What is the latest thing with having "fashion shows" at clubs and bars lately?

    And more importantly, who has a fashion show on top of a bar? Those are only for slutty women to climb on top of, and dance in their skirts with no panties on.
     
  3. dano

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    They all look like they were shot with a P&S. :hs:

    I also think the flash is a bit overwhelming in some of the shots. Some of your subject's hair disappears into the background.
     
  4. the Rosswog

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    :ugh: i can take constructive criticism, but come on.

    show me some P&S photos, taken in the same environment that look any near as clear and sharp as these...

    as far as the flash goes, when I got home I did notice that most of my shots were overexposed. I had between +1 and +1 2/3 stops flash compensation dialed in for these.

    I could have probably done with +2/3 or +1, which I'll try next time.
     
  5. dano

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    This is the only one I can tell was taken with a DSLR. Good detail in their faces even though the chick on the left's hair fades into the background.

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    Did you use auto-focus quite a bit? I guess they just don't pop out to me like I'm used to seeing with a DSLR.
     
  6. SpiderOnTheFloor

    SpiderOnTheFloor New Member

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    sharpness isn't everything. Expect some criticism...as you said..it was your first time
     
  7. dano

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    Yeah, relax man. It's all good. :wavey:

    I guess what I would want to see is more focus on the models. There's way too much background noise and some poor lighting on the models in most of the photos.
     
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    That's also the photo that I think came out the best.

    The ones of "models" on top of the bar were just regular shots to me.
     
  9. the Rosswog

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    yeah the model shots sucked... the whole "fashion show" was about 2 minutes long and moved very quickly. My flash wasn't recycling fast enough (thought my batteries were dying so I changed them)

    I'm a little bit confused as to how AF is contributing to the "P&S" quality of the pics... I used AF in One Shot mode in conjunction with the AF Assist beam on my 580... I actually though it was perfect for focusing in the dark.

    Give me your thoughts...
     
  10. the Rosswog

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    i'm trying to find out if the hired photographer posted his photos anywhere for comparison....
     
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    Yeah Dano is not making a lot of sense...the focusing doesn't seem to be a problem. Also he said that there is background noise but I am not seeing that really...(some of the backgrounds are cluttered but not a lot of noise)

    Dano is just dropping catch phrases in an attempt to sound like he knows something....:mamoru:
     
  12. dano

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    :ugh:

    When I look at the shots, EVERYTHING is in focus. Auto focus is known for that, and it looks very P&S'ish because of this.

    As far as background noise, you're an idiot if you don't think there's background noise in quite a number of those shots. The model fills up 10% of the shot while the rest is background.
     
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    Auto Focus has nothing to do with that... :ugh:

    Auto Mode (e.g. letting the camera choose your aperture and shutter speed) is known for that (so is choosing the wrong aperture in manual mode). If you are giving criticism in the future I would suggest saying things like "EVERYTHING is in focus" instead of using terms you don't fully understand. For most people most of the time auto focus is a lot better than manual focus (especially for consumer DSLR's because the viewfinder is small and you can't really tell what is in focus/out of focus).


    Yeah I am clearly the idiot....:rolleyes:

    Read this tutorial (http://www.photoxels.com/tutorial_noise.html) about what noise means in digital photography then if you still stand by your comment of "there's background noise in quite a number of those shots" then you should kill yourself.

    Your feedback should have been: "The composition of the shots is poor and the backgrounds have a lot of clutter and are distracting" or something like that. Instead you have the original poster trying to figure out how to make his backgrounds look less grainy. Good job... :ugh2:
     
  14. dano

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    what iso were you shooting?
     
  16. the Rosswog

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    iso 400, 125th @ f4
     
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    perhaps dano is saying the aperature should have been dialed down a bit more??!?!?
     
  18. SpiderOnTheFloor

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    ramp up the iso so that the ambient light can contribute more...you also won't have as much trouble with flash recycle times
     
  19. dano

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    No, not at all. I'm saying the subjects aren't "popping out" in simple terms, meaning the entire shot appears to be in focus when all I really want to see focused is the models.

    Or do you mean the thing about subjects and "background noise"? I guess aperature might help that if you're talking about that comment.
     
  20. eof

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    dialing down the aperture means less of the photo will be in focus...so you would get that separation between the subject and the background. It would also mean you require less light so your flash would refresh quicker.
     
  21. the Rosswog

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    my lens' largest aperture is f4, which is what I shot at.

    honestly i think dano has no clue what he's talking about...
     
  22. IntheWorks

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    I understand what you're trying to say but you're using incorrect terms/practices to describe them.

    For the equipment used, and the conditions you were shooting in, these turned out OK, but with some better planning, they could have turned out better.
     
  23. dano

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    Why can't everyone be this civil? :bigthumb: So what if it's mixed up terms, someone just say that instead of going apeshit. I am no professional at this, maybe a modest amateur at best, so I don't toss around photo lingo very often.
     
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    hmmmmm.....

    yup. I thought it smelled like irony in here.
     
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    Whatev. :greddy:
     

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