WEB Partnering with a web developer

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  1. filho do deus

    filho do deus New Member

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    I am pitching an idea to a developer on sunday. If he likes my idea/what I have to offer and he wants to enter into a partnership, how should I proceed?

    Is it unprofessional to ask him to sign an NDA before I pitch?

    Should I bring any contracts with me?

    He lives ~45 minutes away. Is meeting once a week often enough?

    What other concerns should I have?

    What aspects of the business/business relationship should be discussed?

    He is an unemployed 32 year old, married, college, ex-military. I am 22 year old fashion student/aspiring entrepreneur.
     
  2. Ricky

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    did you meet him on craigslist?
     
  3. filho do deus

    filho do deus New Member

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    Reddit. Checked his history, dude seems legit.
     
  4. Ricky

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    I hope that's one hell of an idea and you arent going to blow your money
     
  5. filho do deus

    filho do deus New Member

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    Different guy. New dude has been jobless for over 6 months. 3 years experience with PHP.
    I think I may. :eek3:
     
  6. 2ofdem

    2ofdem OT Supporter

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    Get a NDA sorted first.

    Probably should sort how and what he is getting paid and what your expectations for that are.
     
  7. Insert Tokens

    Insert Tokens Making Cancer My Bitch OT Supporter

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    1. Definitely sign NDA.
    2. Make sure ANYTHING agreed is put in writing, and signed by both of you.
    3. Take time to think about decisions, don't let them force you into agreeing to stuff.
    4. If anything ever seems dodgy, RUN (not literally).. "If it seems too good to be true, it probably is".. etc.

    :dunno:
     
  8. hsmith

    hsmith OT Supporter

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    i'd lol @ an ++NDA++

    and lol @ a ++partnership++

    and lol @ showsquare
     
  9. Insert Tokens

    Insert Tokens Making Cancer My Bitch OT Supporter

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    Oh yeah, just realised it's ShowSquare :bowrofl:
     
  10. filho do deus

    filho do deus New Member

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    We went over this in my last thread. Fuck that shoresquare guy and drop some knowledge on my situation.
     
  11. hsmith

    hsmith OT Supporter

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    listen

    no one is going to "partner" with some 22 year old kid, this isn't 1999

    and i would venture to guess any lawyer you could find in the back of a yellow pages could rape the fuck out of any NDA you'd make someone sign :rofl:

    whatever "sweet" idea you have has already been done and has been done better than some unemployed developer can do.
     
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    lol everyone has 3 years of "experience" with php..
     
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    :bowrofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
     
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    ++ nextluxury.com 3.0!!!!!!! ++
     
  15. Phasm

    Phasm OT Supporter

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    ++ I'm a millionaire web developer ++


    --...can you pay my phone bill during the project? --
     
  16. filho do deus

    filho do deus New Member

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    You maybe right, but you miss 100% of the shots you dont take. I feel strongly about this project and I am going to pursue it. Ill update on Sunday, dick.
     
  17. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark John McCain has an illegitimate mexican baby

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    my experience with other developers:

    1. they are lazy as fuck, they'll never work as hard as you do, and they have a ton of other shit going on.
    2. they'll waste your time, here is my experience with 5 developers:
    #0: A few OTers who thought, hey I can do this shit, then a week later, told me, sorry bro, too hard.
    #1: Two indians, this was a "partnership", 7 months later 10% done. I said fuck it, and stopped asking them for updates. For all I know they are still working on it.(this was 2 years ago)
    #2: Decided, fuck partnerships, fuck indians, I want an American. Got a programmer with 10 years experience that told me he'd be done in a month. 1 month estimate becomes a 1 year project, at which point he is about 10% finished. And I'm out about $10K.
    #3: Decided, fuck this, back to India to get it done for cheap. This time I told the fuckers, I'm not paying a dime until you finish. Once again a 1 month estimate becomes a 1 year project, but at least these guys are further alone. Probably around 80% at this point.

    P.S. that original idea, that all these guys were working on...I already decided that I'm not going to do it, since I have other shit to focus on. So that's 2.5 years down the line, for nothing.

    Anyways, I decided to say fuck it. And started coding myself. I don't want to be dependent on lazy assholes. Here is the thing, you will NEVER find anyone who is as dedicated to your project as you are. All these other people have other shit that they focus on, your project will be a 15 minute coding session at the end of the week, and will never get done.

    I now work 16 hours a day on my shit, I can get things done much faster since I can dedicate 100% of my free time to my projects.
     
  18. filho do deus

    filho do deus New Member

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    Was the developer local?
    What was the original idea if you dont mind sharing?
    I am bad at math, I am bad at learning foreign languages, my friend is a linguist and can speak 5 languages, my brain just doesn't work that way. I really dont think I could learn PHP to a point where I could do everything I need too.
    How can I avoid what happened to you - would putting a timeline into writing help? Any other methods for keeping a developer on track?
    Thanks for the honest reply, much appreciated. :bigthumb:
     
  19. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark John McCain has an illegitimate mexican baby

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    nope not local, the American was about 4 hours away, so if need be I could come by.

    the original idea was a classifieds site for the aftermarket scene, simple shit right? Well apparently not. :o

    You don't need PHP, with all the widgets, scripts and tools out there, you can probably put together 90% of ideas with just the basic knowledge of HTML + an ability to read code. + there is stackoverflow, every time I get stuck, I just ask a question, and 5 minutes later, I get a dozen answers. And if you act like a noob, they'll even give the code you need.

    You can't. I had a time line in each contract, and there was even a penalty for being late. The American owes me $15K. The Indian owes me $4K. That doesn't do anything.

    Here is the thing with lawsuits, that I got from my lawyers. Basically if you are going for anything less than $25K it's a waste of time money, especially if it's small fries. Even if you do win the case, there is no reason to expect that the guy will pay up the settlement. With all these tiny developers, he can just close the company, and you are stuck with a $25K lawyer bill.

    Pretty much the only way to keep these guys on track is to work from the same room, that way he won' t get distracted by other shit
     
  20. Drowned

    Drowned NameThatPornstar.com

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    Did the same... I design and code now. Not having to depend on anybody is :bowdown: I even enjoy coding a bit more now :mamoru:
     

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