GUN PA state police are getting rid of the Beretta 96 for the Glock 37 .45 GAP

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  1. krott5333

    krott5333 Guest

    :eek3:

    I can't believe they're going to the 45 GAP. I would have never expected it. Why not just go with the 21?

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    State police to get new guns

    Published: October 09. 2007 6:00AM
    Erie Times News

    Pennsylvania State Police are phasing out their old firearms and getting new, higher-caliber weapons.

    State police in Erie's Troop E are being trained with a new pistol, the .45-caliber Glock Model 37, through the end of October, troop spokesman Cpl. Mark Zaleski said.

    The change is necessary after Gov. Ed Rendell approved an increase in the size of the state police force in May 2006, said Sgt. David Pallone, supervisor of planning and analysis in the State Police Bureau of Research and Development who oversaw the selection of the new weapon

    The previous weapon, the .40-caliber Beretta Grenadier 96D, was out of production, and the state police needed a uniform weapon, Pallone said. The Berettas were near the end of their commission, Pallone said.

    "We were able to facilitate it pretty quickly because our firearms were aging and we were looking at what was available in the market and testing some weapons," Pallone said.


    Selecting the new weapon took almost a year of testing and trials with state troopers, Pallone said. He said the Glock was the most popular gun among the troopers.

    "What I like about it is that it's a larger caliber, a heavier bullet, and it's a faster bullet," said Cpl. Mark Amato, who helped Pallone select the new pistol.

    Though the caliber is larger, the gun is smaller and more manageable, Pallone said.

    The Glock has a slimmer grip and shorter trigger pull, making it easier to fire for a wider range of hand sizes. A polymer frame, as opposed to the Beretta's steel frame, also makes the Glock a lighter weapon, Pallone said.

    The Glock also has less perceived recoil, despite the larger round, Pallone said.

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  2. Gimik

    Gimik New Member

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    woah... GAP? someone must be getting a kickback :rofl:
     
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    Last I heard glock was offering retarded discounts for departments changing to GAP
     
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    TL1000RSquid ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

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    Meh I want to see a dept issue G20's
     
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    Cannondale OT Supporter

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    Isn't that the 10mm model? :cool:
     
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    Yep.
     
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    01_Cruiser An American Classic OT Supporter

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    It fires grenades? :eek5:

    I think they meant Brigadier :mamoru:
     
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    Typo they're replacing there beretta the g22 grenadier :mamoru:
     
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    Faster bullets? :wtf:
     
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    minus Damn you, Damn the Broccoli, and Damn the Wright B

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    In the le federal tactical loadings the gap is in the 800's the .40 breaks 100 in a 180 gr.
     
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    KNYTE I'm Not Kidding.

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    GAP, the answer to a question no one asked.
     
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    Strictly a bean counters decision. That's too bad. I'd like to see the accountants go out there and placed in a real world life threatening decision.

    Personally, I don't care for any of the GAP models in glock. they're trying to lead a trend that's really not been accepted. It's sort of a no where cartridge. I'd rather have a .45 with more firepower.
     
  13. Thunderbear

    Thunderbear Yggdrasil's Forester.

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    Yeah, the frame reduction with all the same numbers is nice, but without a good ammo manufacturing base, it's pretty much SOL.
     
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    Maybe because gripping a G21 is pretty close to gripping a 2x4?

    21SF would have made sense.
     
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    It's not that much smaller than the G21.

    New York and Georgia are packing G37's too. Glock is all but giving them away to get the caliber out there.
     
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    They were already used to the .40 S&W round. Should have issued Glock 22's.
     
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    No one said the people making these decisions are qualified ;)
     
  18. krott5333

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    :rolleyes: the G21 is not that big
     
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    +1 all the sheriffs and other LEO's I've talked to around here are bitching about the decision and making fun of the guys who are actually going to switch and use the GAP's.

    The 2 local departments here use SIG's and M&P's and 2 of the other ones use Glock. The larger of the 4 use SIG/Glock but not GAP.
     
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    This isn't new news, btw. The decision was made early this year after Glock gave NYPD 5,000 free Glocks to help reinvigorate the .45 GAP cartridge in the LE market.
     
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    Should have said retail base. I've seen GAP exactly twice in all the gun shops/sporting goods places I've frequented.
     
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    idleprocess Bring a dollar with you baby in the cold cold grou

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    Signifcantly larger than the grip on my G17 - which some find large. 21SF's grip is pretty close to the G17 if I recall.
     
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    yea the 21SF grip felt good. But it's still got the recockulously big slide. Didn't feel right for me. That's why I got the 22.
     

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