GUN "Owning a gun increases chance of being killed even when a home is forcibly entered

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  1. Rooster

    Rooster y helo thar

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    ...or a victim attempts to resist" I found this in a college textbook.

    I know anyone that knows statistics can come up with stats that will make anything look bad, so how "accurate" are firearm statistics. Are there any "pro gun" statistics?
     
  2. Thunderbear

    Thunderbear Yggdrasil's Forester.

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    Owning a gun period increases your chances of getting killed. Containing an explosion in a chamber with one outlet in your hand isn't the brightest thing in the world to do, but circumstances dictate...

    Is that a direct quote? If so, it's some of the worst grammar I think I've seen in a college text. Pro firearm stats would be lower crime rates in firearm friendly states/cities/counties, correlated increases in crime in firearm restrictive localities. What class is this for?
     
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    Rooster y helo thar

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    I just tried to remember what the quote was rather than looking in the book. The actual quote is "even when a home is forcibly entered or a victim attempts to resist, owning a gun increases the chances of being killed."

    It's for a BS class called "sociology of health and health care"
     
  4. Artyboy

    Artyboy Necessity is the excuse for every infringement of

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    It also increases the chance of killing the intruder first
     
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    not owning a gun decreases the chance of shooting an intruder before they can shoot you.
     
  6. Y2kAccord

    Y2kAccord Everything happens for reasons I just dont know

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    What percentage of those deaths mentions were either a situation where the home owner would of been killed even without the gun.
    Lack of training or knowing how to use the gun safely?
     
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    Artyboy Necessity is the excuse for every infringement of

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    I think lack of training accounts for more deaths than anything. Too many people think that they can buy a gun and instantly be safe. Still more people think that just because their opponent sees the gun in their hand that they're going to stop what they're doing. Then you get the idiots that can't even figure out how to work the safety. How many people who are killed during robberies are killed by their own gun?
     
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    You'd have to dig for a source for that, but the statistic of gun owners are a billion times more likely to die than non gun owners was derrived using very poor statistical methods including suicides and not taking into account crimes stopped by guns where no one died, etc. I believe his university even gave him hell for it. You'd have to dig for more info, but its a bad statistic. I don't think you can build a good one however based on the nature of gun crime and how they're reported.
     
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    Aequitas If it keeps on raining, levee's going to break.

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    How about the percentage of victims that are killed or violently beaten when they comply with everything the intruder says?
     
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    The problem with most of these are that they (intentionally) do not account for criminal on criminal gun crime. Drug deals, gang bangers, etc. For example, the "a child is x times more likely to die in a home with a gun" stat that the Brady people love to use a) considers anyone under 22 a child and b) does not exclude "children" killed due to gang violence (in which they are directly involved) or in the commission of a crime.
     
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    Artyboy Necessity is the excuse for every infringement of

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    That's quite gay :ugh:. I fucking despise politics so so much.
     
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    They make up all kinds of shit. Like all of a sudden 50BMG's are "commonly used in street crime" and are popular with "terrorists, outlaw biker gangs, and drug lords".

    When was the last time you saw a bunch of harleys with 50 cal's mounted on them!?
     
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    Artyboy Necessity is the excuse for every infringement of

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    but if they don't take away our guns then they'll NEVER be able to do whatever the fuck they want.
     
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    Sucks for them then.
     
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    directly addresses this

    Also having a spoon increases the likelihood that you will die in a spoon related accident as it's hard to kill yourself with a spoon unless you have one handy.
     
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    Y2kAccord Everything happens for reasons I just dont know

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    There ya go with that logic again.

    Let me guy Pilots also have a 25 time higher chance of dieing in a plane crash too :noes:
     
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    Statistics ACTUALLY support that when you are the victim of a violent crime, you are less likely to be injured or killed if you defend yourself with a firearm than by taking ANY other course of action, including the action of doing everything the perpetrator tells you to.

    So, having a gun and using it actually works better than not having one and being a defenseless victim.
     
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    Well, I just saw a bunch of bikers go by with .510 DTCs over their shoulders, does that count? :x:

    EDIT: Remember people, there are lies, damn lies, and statistics.
     
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