GUN Opportunity comes a-knockin' for real WMD operators

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  1. JaimeZX

    JaimeZX Formerly of :Sep 2001: fame - Also: Sprout Crew OT Supporter

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    I put a few comments in blue. Full article here:
    http://news.aol.com/article/ap-impact-security-firms-join-somali/226037?cid=12
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    Security firms join Somali piracy fight
    By KATHARINE HOURELD, AP

    NAIROBI, Kenya -Blackwater Worldwide and other private security firms —
    some with a reputation for being quick on the trigger in Iraq — are joining the
    battle against pirates plaguing one of the world's most important shipping
    lanes off the coast of Somalia.

    The growing interest among merchant fleets to hire their own firepower is
    encouraged by the U.S. Navy and represents a new and potential lucrative
    market for security firms scaling back operations in Iraq.


    But some maritime organizations told The Associated Press that armed guards
    may increase the danger to ships' crews or that overzealous contractors
    might accidentally fire on fishermen.

    The record in Iraq of security companies like Blackwater, which is being
    investigated for its role in the fatal shooting of 17 Iraqi civilians in 2007,
    raises concerns about unregulated activity and possible legal wrangles.

    "Security companies haven't always had the lightest of touches in Iraq, and I
    think Somalia is a pretty delicate situation," said Roger Middleton, who wrote
    a recent report on piracy in Somalia for Chatham House, a think tank in London.

    NATO, with a flotilla of warships due to arrive in Somali waters this weekend,
    is trying to work out legal and regulatory issues surrounding the use of armed
    contractors before adopting a position on private security companies.

    But the U.S. Navy, part of the coalition already patrolling off the coast of
    Somalia, says the coalition cannot effectively patrol the 2.5 million square
    miles of dangerous waters and welcomes the companies.

    "This is a great trend," said Lt. Nate Christensen, a spokesman for the
    Bahrain-based U.S. 5th Fleet. "We would encourage shipping companies to
    take proactive measures to help ensure their own safety."


    Somali officials also approve of the private contractors.

    Abdulkadir Muse Yusuf, deputy marine minister of the semiautonomous region
    of Puntland, said private firms are welcome in Somali waters. As well as
    fighting piracy, he said, they could help combat illegal fishing and toxic
    waste dumping.


    After a series of shootings that killed civilians, Iraqi legislators negotiated an
    agreement with the U.S. that will remove some of the private contractors'
    immunity from prosecution. U.S. authorities are investigating Blackwater for
    improperly bringing weapons into Iraq and for its role in the 2007 Iraqi civilian deaths.

    The removal of immunity, Iraq's stabilizing security situation and a glut of
    security operators in the country have combined to tempt some companies to
    seek a new market in the pirate-infested Gulf of Aden off Somalia
    .


    Last week, Blackwater announced it was hiring a ship fitted with
    helicopters and armed guards for escorting vessels past Somalia's pirate-
    ridden coast.
    Spokeswoman Anne Tyrrell said it had received 15 inquiries so far.
    :coold:

    In addition to Blackwater, Mississippi-based Hollowpoint, which has not been
    active in Iraq, says it will provide guards and recover seized ships.

    "We'll get your crew and cargo back to you, whether through negotiations or
    through sending a team in," said CEO John Harris, who is discussing contracts
    with several companies.

    There have been 63 reported attacks on ships off the Somali coast this year
    alone and probably many more have been carried out. Almost a third of the
    recorded attacks have been successful.

    Ransoms can reach into the millions of dollars. That's a fortune in a failed
    state like Somalia, where almost half the people depend on aid and warlords
    plunder food shipments meant for starving children. The money goes to clan-
    based militias, some of which are fighting in Somalia's civil war.

    Mody says armed guards onboard ships may encourage pirates to use their
    weapons or spark an arms race between predators and prey. Currently,
    pirates often fire indiscriminately during an attack but don't aim to kill or
    injure crew. The pirates usually use assault rifles but have rocket-propelled
    grenades; some reports also say they have mini-cannon.
    "If someone onboard a ship pulls a gun, will the other side pull a grenade?" Mody asked.
    Then the contractor should pull a 10mm :noes:

    British contractors stress the importance of intelligence and surveillance, a
    safe room for the crew to retreat to if the ship is boarded, and the range of
    non-lethal deterrence measures available.

    "The standard approach is for (pirates) to come in with all guns blazing at the
    bridge because when a boat is stopped it's easier to board," said David
    Johnson, director of British security firm Eos. "But if you have guns onboard,
    you are going to escalate the situation. We don't want to turn that part
    of the world into the Wild West."

    In the Wild West, people could fight back. Ref: Tombstone

    Johnson's employees don't carry arms, relying on tactics that can be as
    simple as greasing or electrifying hand rails, putting barbed wire around the
    freeboard — the lowest area of the deck — or installing high-pressure fire
    hoses directed at vulnerable areas of a ship.

    One tugboat confused its attackers by going into a high-speed spin when
    pirates approached, causing the attackers to give up — and leaving the crew
    sick but safe.


    High-tech but non-lethal weapons include dazzle guns, which produce
    disorienting flashes; microwave guns, which heat up the skin causing
    discomfort but no long-term damage; and acoustic devices that can blast a
    wave of painful sound across hundreds of yards.
    In for confusing pirates with dazzling weapons, then sniping them. :o

    The 20,000 ships that pass through the Gulf of Aden on the way to or from
    the Suez Canal each year can't avoid the 1,800 miles of Somali coastline
    without sailing around the entire continent of Africa.

    The jump in interest in private contractors — spurred by last month's
    hijacking of a Ukrainian ship loaded with tanks and other weapons — has
    brought new players into the market and a flood of business for well-
    established firms.

    Maritime operations manager Michael Angus says the yacht business has
    doubled. And now, he says, merchant ships such as bulk carriers or oil
    tankers are asking the company for teams of armed guards, making what was
    once a seasonal business off Somalia a year-round enterprise.

    London-based Olive Group, which protects Shell operations in Iraq, began
    offering services in the Gulf of Aden earlier this year. Its security consultant,
    Crispian Cuss, says just the presence of armed guards may be a deterrent.
    Pirates get information on crews and cargos from contacts in ports or at
    shipping companies and avoid vessels with armed men on board, he said.
    "No client's ship has been approached by pirates while we've been on them," he said.
     
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    brb joining blackwater so i can fight pirates
     
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    LancerV Something Happened OT Supporter

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    Time for Boeing to hook them up with the 100kilowatt solid state laser faster :x:
     
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    That would be so badass. Pirate hunters. :coold:
     
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    WMD should start our own private security company :eek3:
     
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    david4x4 can buy the sub :o
     
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    Jesus, that fucking Brit company is going to get curbstomped out of existence :rofl: :rofl:

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    :rofl: I can't even begin...
     
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    IN! for being a pirate hunter, even though pirates are awesome.
     
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    I think this is a secret ploy by the ninjas :noes:
     
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    :squint: Those pesky ninjas.
     
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    How much money are we talking here? Might have to run the numbers and get back to you on this.
     
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    500,000 for the submarine

    and all of us WMD crew and our gear to man it :eek3:
     
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    We'd probably be better served with a surface ship of some kind. Frigate or Corvette size would be large enough to trash any Somalis that came out to play, but small enough to handle and man (and cheapest to operate as well).
     
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    find investors :squint:
     
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    shit dude, even something not much bigger than a PT boat would probably work fine.
     
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    Money is a secondary or even tertiary issue in this case.

    First: Armament. Methinks that a torpedo isn't going to go off if it passes under a Zodiac, and you probably can't set them to run shallow enough to get a contact kill. Assuming they didn't outrun it or you know, turn.

    Second: Boat handling. I (and probably several others on here) am proficient in small boat handling, and while I have never conned something like a frigate/corvette, it would be a hell of alot easier than learning by doing on a sub.

    Third: Speed. Subs are fucking SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW, especially those old ruskie ones.

    edit: actually, going by my list, money is a quaternary concern.
     
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    probably easier to buy a ruskie Frigate or Corvette than a PT boat :rofl::wtc:
     
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    In for this. I'm thinking about how long it will take for me to load disassembled 30 rounders after piecing them together once we get into international waters from CA.
     

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