GUN Obama heeding lesson from ‘94 gun ban

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  1. wait*what

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    Obama heeding lesson from ‘94 gun ban
    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6383351.html

    WASHINGTON — The last time a Democratic president and a Democratic Congress banned civilian sales of military-style assault weapons, it took American voters just seven weeks to rebel.
    They handed Republicans control of the House and the Senate for the first time in 40 years.
    One of the casualties in the backlash was Rep. Jack Brooks, D-Beaumont, who sponsored the ban and then promptly lost his seat in Congress in 1994 after 42 years of service.
    The lesson wasn’t lost on President Obama when Mexican President Felipe Calderon suggested reviving the defunct weapons’ ban to help combat drug cartel violence along the U.S.-Mexico border.
    Obama insisted he had “not backed off” his campaign promise to make the expired ban permanent.
    But he bowed to political reality, nonetheless.
    “None of us are under any illusion that reinstating that ban would be easy,” Obama said. “And so, what we’ve focused on is how we can improve our enforcement of existing laws.”
    Any hint that the ban might be resurrected alarmed some Texas Republicans, largely elected by voters who ardently support the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution and a Texas constitutional right “to bear arms in defense of himself and the Republic” that dates back to 1836

    Few willing to take risk
    Fresh restrictions on weapons are “not the solution to the problems occurring in Mexico,” declared Sen. John Cornyn, R-San Antonio.
    In fact, some assert the White House would be capitalizing on border violence simply to push a gun control agenda.
    “It is not our responsibility to keep guns out of Mexico — and reviving the ban will not affect the way Mexico protects its border,” said Rep. Ted Poe, R-Humble, a former criminal court judge.
    Said Rep. Kevin Brady, R-The Woodlands: The issue remains ending bloodshed by lawless drug cartels and “not a divisive return to policies that infringe upon the American people’s Second Amendment rights.”
    The truth is, few believe Obama could win a battle to resurrect the ban anyway, even among Democrats.
    “We’ve reached a point where there aren’t many people who will stick their political necks out to vote for sensible gun control,” says Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., the second ranking Democrat in the Senate leadership.
    The Democratic-led Senate already dealt a body blow to the gun control movement when 22 Senate Democrats, led by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., joined 40 Republicans to shelve firearms restrictions in the nation’s capital.
    Merely hinting at renewal provoked 65 House Democrats, many from swing districts, to warn the administration that they would “actively oppose” it.
    The latest nationwide polls show “little evidence that gun control is at the moment a high priority for Americans,” says the Gallup Poll’s “Pulse of Democracy.”
    Barely 49 percent surveyed wanted tighter laws on firearms sales, the lowest percentage since 1990. Americans remain evenly divided on whether to make it illegal to manufacture, sell or possess assault rifles.
    “There’s a realization on Capitol Hill that the 1994 law was ineffective,” says Andrew Arulanandam, a spokesman for the National Rifle Association. “The logical question is why should we resurrect a law that was proven to be ineffective?”

    Obama still backs ban
    Obama backed the ban during his presidential campaign. His transition team listed “making the expired federal assault weapons ban permanent” a goal.
    The White House says he still supports it.
    “The president is also, though, focused on taking actions to stem the flow of guns moving south that go across the border (and) making progress on something that we are likely to see progress on,” White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs told reporters.
    The narrow ban that was adopted in 1994 and expired in 2004 prohibited the sale of 19 military-style assault weapons, “copy-cat” models and ammunition magazines that were capable of containing more than 10 rounds.




    First section: Historically when Congressmen vote pro ban, they get fucked by voters
    Second section: Congressmen are like, fuck you Obama...i'm not voting for ban to lose my seat
    Third section: Obama's people say he's still for a ban sometime.
     
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  2. jehan60188

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    so, i'm going to reveal my age/ignorance with this, but, i was too young/uninterested in firearms to remember. if this ban comes back, does that mean a ban on all magazines greater than 10 rounds?!
    if so
    W
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    I don't see it happening until after midterms - that is even if the Democrats hold thier majority.

    There is one year till campaigning starts again, no congressman wants to risk that. Attention spans are short, but <1 year is pretty short
     
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    yes and Ted Poe is motherfucking :bowdown:
     
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    THT The easy way is always mined

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    It's not Obama heeding the lesson; it's Congress.
     
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    They banned all newly manufactured magazines for sale to civilians last ban. If you had them before May of 1994 or whatever it was, you could keep them. It's pretty hard to control magazines as they have no serial numbers...
     
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    is it true that a weapon with a detachable magazine of 31 rounds or more is a "dangerous ordnance"?
     
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    No. They sell a variety of different 'drums' for various different firearms ranging from ~70-100 rounds. Lots of 40 round AK mags and Beta mags for ARs are pretty popular.

    In most states you can own belt-fed firearms which pretty much means unlimited rounds. I think in CA you can only have 10 rounds linked up at the same time.
     
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    So I could open carry a Glock with a 33rnd mag sticking out the back :rofl:
     
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    You could carry it with a beta c mag if you wanted :dunno:

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    :bowdown:
     
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    Exactly. Obama seems to be as dumb as ever. He has heeded no lessons.
     
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    Motherfucking dot. Obama may still want a ban, but Congress will repeatedly vote it down. Obama has learned nothing.

    Although Obama is succeeding fairly well at bolstering the economy with this constant fear of a gun ban lingering. :o
     
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    I wonder what it would be like if there weren't millions of gun owners dumping hundreds of millions, if not, a few billion dollars into the economy...
     
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    It would be paradoxical. There wouldn't be people protesting a ban, making it easier to pass, but there also wouldn't be enough people purchasing said weapons to warrant NEEDING to pass a ban.
     
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    Hopefully this will calm all the hording that is going on and prices will go back down to where they should be.
     
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    Some lowers are starting to get close to their prices a year ago and PMAGs are starting to be in stock for more than 30min at a time. I think the hoarding is *starting* to slow down a bit.

    Now if I could only find primers. :wtc:
     
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    The hoarding moved to ammo and components. Lowers, uppers, and mags are starting to show up in classifieds at reasonable prices; I've seen numerous BCM uppers listed at $650 that have been sitting for days and only moving when they hit sub-$600. A month ago, they would have gone for $650 plus shipping easy.
     
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    which is great.. I am planning out my first build right now. :bigthumb:
     
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    But we're also fueling the credit crisis.
     
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    Not if you're paying off your CC every month. And if you don't, you're a fuckwit to begin with.
     
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    I'm fine, and apparently most of OT pays with cash but what about arfcom? :bowrofl:
     
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