MIL No Women In Combat Passes House

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  1. Ranger-AO

    Ranger-AO I'm here for the Taliban party. Moderator

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    source: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,FL_women_051905,00.html?ESRC=dod.nl

    I have mixed feelings on this. But overall, I tend to think it is probably a good thing. I could probably be convinced either way, though. :dunno:
     
  2. Accord

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    http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,FL_women_052605,00.html?ESRC=eb.nl
     
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    good thank God
     
  4. Accord

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    To it passing the house or to the bill being shot down?
     
  5. Jyokker

    Jyokker The trouser snake is very aggressive. It will corn

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    There should be no bill... the military branches should decide.
     
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    C5Load OT Resident UCLA fanatic

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    the military branches don't really have a system in place to allow for a decision like this, unfortunately.
     
  7. Jyokker

    Jyokker The trouser snake is very aggressive. It will corn

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    They still decide. Agreed there is no system, and a simple board of Brass and SNCO's would suffice. They still make the decisions.
     
  8. brackac

    brackac Fuck all of this. OT Supporter

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    Women do not belong in Combat Arms, but not because they can not physically complete the mission. Women disrupt team cohesiveness in male dominated environments. Add 1 female to a group of 10 men, and there will be competition amongst the men for her attention. We have all witnessed this happen. This type of behavior is detrimental to the mission, and the team. None of this is the fault of the female though. Men are not prepared to see women die in combat, men are not prepared to except women as equals physically and emotionally, and men are not willing for the most part to look past the gender and just see a soldier/Marine/Seamen/Airmen doing the job. And team unity is a must within units that are on the FLOT.

    Now lets look at the physical portion. Women for one are not held to the same standards as men physically. If they were held to the sames standards I would be fine with allowing them to qualify. Women have different hygiene needs than men. Women in Combat Arms would create a logistical nightmare due to the hygiene needs. Finally women are built to carry weight low, and we all know the new MOLLE pack puts the weight high. Add in the that the average physically fit female weighs 135, and the average ruck weight for a grunt is 75+ lbs on a light day.

    Combat Arms is not yet ready for women, and for the most part women are not ready for Combat Arms.
     
  9. Ranger-AO

    Ranger-AO I'm here for the Taliban party. Moderator

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    Agreed. To everything you said. But take for example the 3rd ID as they are currently deployed in Iraq. There are no "rear areas" to safely allow the females a place to perform their jobs outside the combat zone. Even though they aren't in a Combat Arms MOS, they are still in the combat zone, and still die because of it.

    The only way to really keep them out of combat would be to bar them from even entering a combat zone in the first place. :dunno:
     
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    theres a small number of butch ass women i wouldnt feel bad about serving in a combat position or even serving along side in one...but theres alot more that think they should do it than that, so im for this
     
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    Very well put, brackac.
     
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    That's what I was going to ask, what are "direct ground combat roles" exactly.

    A female soldier from the logistics branch has her convoy ambushed and ended up trading fire. Seems to me that's both ground and combat. :dunno:

    I would think that stripping every female from the entire area would be a bloody nightmare in terms of replacing the roles they were fufilling.

    Good luck if you're a guy, your tour just got extended :coolugh:
     
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    QFT-alot better that I would say it, but sooo true

    As long as we over compensate in our society for women they will not equal up to the standards required. There really is no such thing as equality.
    I personaly think that women could,given time,fill a small fast combat role. Small quick hit units comprised entirely of women, considering the attitudes of our "enemy" would be perfect!!
    But then again I think in this war we should go to unconviential tactics since we fight an enemy that uses them as well.
     
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    i thought this was already the policy. they can only serve in support units.

    did i miss something?
     
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  17. Ranger-AO

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    Damnit Accord. WTF resurrected thread? :madfawk:
     
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