A&P Nikon high ISO vs Canon

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  1. fatass

    fatass New Member

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    I wish I read more reviews that Canon had great performance with high ISO vs Nikon. Here's what I'm wondering... if I use Neat Image or Noise Ninja with a Nikon image at say 1600 ISO can I clean it up to look as good as a Canon shot under similar circumstances?


    5D with 200mmL, 1/20S, f5.6, ISO 1600, autofocus. Shot RAW, standard PS conversion with light sharpening.
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    Here's a shot taken with an 85mm f/1.8 @ ISO 1600.
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    iso 3200
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    iso 3200
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    Using NN would probably yeald as good, if not better, results to an ISO1600 image directly out of the Canon. With processing, the Canon image might still be a touch better.

    A lot of the difference depends on which Canon camera shot the image too. A 5D high ISO image is better than a 30D high ISO image, for example.

    Regardless, using NN or other prost production tools will yield decent results from both cameras. Another technique is to convert the image to LAB color mode in Photoshop and apply a median filter to the A and B channels. This reduces/eliminates the color noise and leaves only Luminance (L channel) noise. The result is something that looks a lot like natural high ISO film grain instead of digital noise.

    BTW, I shoot with Canons, and I don't think that brand really makes much difference at all unless you are comparing $2500+ bodies against one another. A D80 and a 30D perform pretty similarly over ISO800, for all practical comparisons. The measurebators will disagree, I'm sure.
     
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    best way to fight noise is to properly expose your shots. I have an "ancient" D70 and dont have any noise issues.
     
  5. fatass

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    The best advice that I've heard so far is that as long as you expose correctly you can use a high ISO on either brand.

    I'm using Lightroom and tried messing with the Noise Reduction options there but with very little success. I accidentally shot at ISO 3200 with a D200 the other day and ouch... luckily I used RAW and with Noise Ninja still came out with some usable images... just wondering if my results would have been any different with a different brand.
     
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    I was messing around with 1600 ISO on my XT and it looked grainy as fuck I cant even imagine why I would ever need to use it or why some cameras have 3200 ISO unless you want a certain image to have that look :dunno:
     
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    my 5d is whey better than my bras d40, get hte canon
     
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    I try to never take my D50 off the ISO 200 setting (unfortunately that's as low as it goes :wtc: )
     
  9. fatass

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    i could post some pictures of people taking amazing shots at iso 3200, wait up

    ok, posted some pictures in my first post
     
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    Yeah, Nikon's high ISO's are sooo bad... I mean it's like shooting with sand on your lens... :ugh:

    white point and resize adjustments only.

    iso 100:

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    iso 3200: (H 1.0 on my D80)

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    Truth, but don't tell that to the measurebaters. Canon's shall always be the rule in noise! :coolugh:
     
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    i have the same headphones on my computer desk too :o
     
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    Comparing cropped sensors to full frame sensors :ugh:
     
  14. jared_IRL

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    You do??

    :run:


    But really...

    is it such a far walk from iso 100 to 3200?

    I don't get the big deal.

    especially when half the kids in my photo class can't even comprehend 'composition'....
     
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    My only problem with digital noise is
    A) color noise (I think they call this chroma noise?)
    B) the patterns from it being digital.

    If you compare ISO 400 film to ISO 800 digitial, digital has a whole lot less grainy and when printed, looks a lot better. And if you expose correctly both my issues go away...even on my outdated D70. Which was the model for lack of noise control.
     

  16. You mean

    comparing images resized for web as opposed to 100% crops = :ugh:

    Who cares what your images look like online, If you're only shooting to show off your pics online :ugh:
     
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    hash browns lolcathlon champion OT Supporter

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    contrast curve bias differences between canon and nikon digital slrs can explain a lot of the perceived noise advantage :ugh:
     
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    you sound like a nikon guy. :hsugh:
     
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    only wannabe elec eng :(

    stuck in computer world
     
  21. jared_IRL

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    so I see we have moved on from the 'oooh, nikons are sooo noisy...' part of this thread rather quickly...

    Bravo A&P, Bravo. I thought this would be going on for weeks.
     

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