I've done a ton of research on these two cameras during the past week, and I'm leaning slightly more on the side of the D60. One thing that upsets me is that it doesn't have Live view, but I'm kinda sure I can live without it. I know a better comparison would be the D60 vs the 400D since they are in the same price range, but between those two, I would DEFINITELY go with the D60 over the 400D because of the D60s superiority in terms of features. But between the D60 and 450D? I'm not so sure. Anyone have any experience between these two? Which should I get as a first entry level DSLR? Also, on another note, should I buy the body only and spring for a 18-200 Sigma lens? I don't think I'll ever need that much zoom power, but people keep suggesting it and telling me that I need a good lens. I thought the 18-55 VR lens kit wth the D60 was pretty good.