A&P Nikon D200 with 85mm f/1.4 vs Canon 5D with 135mm f/2

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  1. Tomash

    Tomash Active Member

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    Yes, I know one is a $3,000 camera, and the other a $1,500 camera, but I saw this comparison posted on another forum, and decided to repost it here. But since the site that originally posted it was SLOW AS FUCK and full of asian letters, so I dumped it all onto my server.
    And as you can see, the 5D owns the fuck out of D200.










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  2. Kinks

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    without knowing what camera parameters those photos were taken with, the comparison is meaningless.

    the canon certainly appears to have better contrast, colour, and sharpness BUT:

    The canon shots have clearly been sharped, the nikon shots are very soft so they have not.

    secondly the colours on the nikon are way off. I bet the photog had the wrong WB setting selected.

    thirdly, a lot of the canon shots are zoomed in slightly more than the nikon one. no surprises which one is going to give you more "detail" there...
     
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    i'd question the glass...thats a horrific difference in quality displayed between the two cameras. I have a hard time believing the 5d is that much better of a camera.
     
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    Flawed testing.


    Get that girl some moisturizer and dandruff control STAT!
     
  5. Tomash

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    They seem zoomed in because they used a 135mm f/2L lens on the 5D, and 85mm f/1.4 on the D200, which with its 1.5x field of view crop resulted with field of view that of a 128mm lens.
    That 7mm difference is what you are referring to.
     
  6. Tomash

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    The site was Chinese, so I guess she's Chinese as well.
    They don't have those kinds of cosmetics in China.
     
  7. Tomash

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    Why? The 5D costs twice as much?
     
  8. eof

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    cooter pics to verify sharpness..

    EDIT: Actually the asians would have that shit blured out.
     
  9. Hua

    Hua AZN photographer crew

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    You shoot with a Rebel.

    And why is all of the EXIF info always missing from these comparison shots?
     
  10. Tomash

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    Because Photoshop always fucking removes it.
    I've asked OT how to fix this, but no one could help me.
     
  11. Tomash

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    But if you really need to see it, then pick a shot, and I'll upload and original (but resized) version with EXIF intact for you to stare at.

    http://tomash.ibjhb.com/index_lb.html
     
  12. eof

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    Photoshop doesn't remove it if you goto save as... and pick jpeg.

    It removes it when you Save for web...

    I suppose this is due to EXIF info taking up space...:dunno:
     
  13. Tomash

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    That's what I do, I never do that Save for web bit, and EXIF is always removed.
    Is there an option for this?
     
  14. TheEvil1

    TheEvil1 Hell is other people OT Supporter

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    that is smply because it has a full frame sensor, they cost much more to fab
     
  15. Tomash

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    That's true.
    Other than that, it's pretty much a 20D with a better AF system.
     
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    Gymtime for home translation:

    Canon 5D used the EF135mm/F2 lens, Nikon D200 has used the AF85mm/F1.4 lens. Uses the different focal distance the lens is for be advantageous for two machine obtains the similar composition. But these two lens all are Canon as well as the Nikon portrait lens representative works. Two machine colors optimizations establishment establishes as "the standard", must pay attention is these two machines "the standard" the establishment certainly is not its most conservative establishment. For instance inside the 5D standard establishment, sharpness has the enhancement, but the D200 standard establishment, option and so on degree of saturation, sharpness is "is automatic" but the color pattern is tacitly approves "I" namely "the portrait pattern". In other words, "the standard" the establishment has also manifested the factory in processing way the and so on the color as well as sharpness optimized tendency. Looked from the under massive previews, regardless of is the transition, resolution as well as high ISO damps chirp the control, 5D all wants obviously to be strong many. More importantly, we also saw, even if were with the same big aperture, APS on the picture 85mm lens still were unable in the same composition depth of field performance to substitute entire on the 135mm lens.
     
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    Because above several groups of two machine standards establishment has encountered many friends' doubting. Therefore in will make D200 and 20D comparison time above the same lens combination change establishment has made, this 5D machine in established as "the reliable establishment", also will be its conservative establishment, sharpness, the contrast gradient, the degree of saturation and so on is the standard. But D200 uses from the definition establishment sharpness, the degree of saturation and so on supposes is "the standard" or "0". But at the same time I also note the establishment which may be clear about two machine sharpness establishments for "the closure", does not have in here me to do this but is all sets two machine sharpness establishments to "the standard" the position.
     
  18. Tomash

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    Engrish?
     
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    It's more than that. Offers spot metering, better noise control, ISO 50, larger LCD screen, and ISO setting in viewfinder.
     
  20. Tomash

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    Spot metering kind of applies to AF system, noise control falls under larger sensor, as does ISO 50, so the only thing I left out was a few tenths of a inch of LC space, and a some info in the viewfinder.
    I really wasn't that far off.
     
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    :ugh:

    O'rly? Please elaborate. Metering has to do with exposure, not AF.
     
  22. perfektrtw

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    Look at that sites comparison with the D200 and the 20D. How did the D200 become so bad all of a sudden?

    How does a camera that does this: http://www.potatobear.com/ND200/I/01-D200-SS.jpg

    all of sudden look like this:
    http://tomash.ibjhb.com/temp/5dvsd200/01-D200-SS.jpg

    Same exact site, yet for some reason now the white balance is off, and the pictures a lot less sharp.

    So then my question is, if the D200 is so bad, that must make the 20D absolutely terrible, right? :rolleyes:

    http://www.potatobear.com/ND200/D200G.htm
     
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    I sound too serious in that last post :o

    I really dont care one way or the other, but I do find it curious how much of a difference there is. It sounds like the Nikons don't do JPEG as good right out of the box in comparison to the Canons, and I think that shows here. If you look at dpreviews review of the D2X, its JPEG isn't that impressive, but becomes pretty damn close to the 5D when using RAW. I have also read the D200 is very similar to the D2X in resolution/etc, so I wonder if that's the issue :dunno:
     
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    man some of those pics look like fucking cell phone quality..it doesnt make sense
     
  25. Tomash

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    LOL. Shut up. I was drunk last night.
     

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