New Computer WD Raptors in RAID0 question

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  1. TracerBullet

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    So when I upgrade/rebuild my computer in a few months I want to use some SATA drives in RAID0 and I guess those Raptor drives are super fast, but theyre also really fucking expensive. Can anyone tell me if the added benefits are worth it. I do alot of photoshop work some video work and play some games. So how big of a difference will it make, and is it worth sacrificing more storage space for the speed?
     
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    none. raid is desktops is useless.
     
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    serious.... raid is all hype. it has no business on a desktop computer. in theory it should make it faster, but thats just theory. in all seriousness, for most applications it will be useless.
     
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    in testing for real-world workstation-class applications, RAID 0 arrays are no faster than a single drive, and your rate of failure increases exponentially.

    Stick with some 10k drives and contentional partitions.
     
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    Hmm interesting, since its like the cool thing to do these days when you build a new pc.
     
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    Hype.

    I build a computer with RAID0 a while ago and it mabye loaded windows 2 seconds faster than my single IDE Hard drive
     
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    i thought raid was cool. So i bought 5 10K SCSI 18.1GB Drives i was going to use. havent yet. :hs:
     
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    My 2 74g raptors in RAID0 are excellent and worth every $.
    Although, I didn't sacrifice space.. I put 2x 200g in this box as well and just built a 2600GB fileserver.

    If space is an issue, RAID0 2x 200 or 250GB disks. They will still be plenty quick, cheaper, and lots more space.
     
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    I use two raptors in RAID0. I love how quicky everything loads and saves.

    If money is an issue though two 7200 drives in RAID0 isn't really that much of a difference.

    Althouh I use a seperate server for my storage.
     
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    Every hard drive test I run on my Raptors consistently outperforms a single raptopr or sata drive.

    The 2 raptors have more linear read than my 10krpm ultra 160 scsi drive and score consistently higher.

    I can definately tell a difference between my IDE 7200 rpm drive and my raptors in a raid0.

    I didnt pay for them though, so dont ask me if they were worth my money.
     
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    its a placebo effect. you think its faster because you paid for the drives, and because raid is hyped.

    yes of course the two raptors are faster than the single SCSI 160 drive because it is likely a larger drive as well as the SCSI drive is on a PCI bus which is limited to 133Mbs (unless a 64bit PCI slot).
    and of course its faster than a 7.2K drive.
     
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    twinturboteddy Bling Bling!

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    I have a RAID 0 setup with 2 36gb raptors

    Pretty fast. :dunno: what you guys are complaining about
     
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    I don't see much complaining :)
    Just lowfat buying into the hype about RAID 0 being all hype.
     
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    have you tried just one raptor not in raid? i can garantee it will be no slower for most applications.
     
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    twinturboteddy Bling Bling!

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    Yea I have. I originally just installed one for like 3 weeks. Then went ahead and installed the other and formatted it for RAID. I think it's faster, how much more I can't really say.
     
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    Are you familiar with what a "placebo" is? How about "butt-dyno"? Both of these terms likey apply here. :mamoru:
     
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    Wow, of the years I've been using RAID on ide/ata/sata/pata/scsi/iscsi/fibre/ficon/etc... way way before it hit the home pc market, I've never seen so many misinformed obtuse posts until I realized that I was on the OT computer forum, heh.

    Tracer, set up your stripe set on your home pc if you

    a) Plan to use the stripe set for data you don't care about, games, movies, music, cache etc. Since the rate of failure is directly related to the number of drives you have in the set. Or have a good backup process in place.
    b.) And if you manage/move/create large files, i.e. video or music editing.

    Else don't bother. For web surfing, email, playing mp3's, games, normal home usage, you will not see a difference. Stand alone disks have enough throughput for these simple tasks. You may see some games load faster, you may see your OS load a bit faster, but this is a moot point since it'll take some time to detect your controller and raid set during your boot sequence, which negates the time you saved from loading the OS.

    Here's a simple analogy. If you a downloaded 30Kb txt file one every minute on a 56k modem, upgrading to broadband won't do you a lot of good. You will barely notice the difference. But when you downloaded 3MB mp3's, the difference on broadband was significant. Daily application and game loading is plenty fast for the small bursts of data that a single hdd sends.

    You don't lose storage space for stripe sets. Only mirror and parity RAID.

    Good luck.
     
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    > You don't lose storage space for stripe sets. Only mirror and parity RAID.
    I think he understands that.

    The comments relate to 74G raptors costing more than a 250GB seagate sata.
    If you get 2 of each, 148GB vs 500GB is a significant difference and you'd still have money left over if you got the 250s :)
     
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    haha, i love this arguement. so people pay tons of extra money to get parts so they can overclock an extra 100mhz, which is roughly say a 5% overclock, yet to get an easy 5% HD performance increase for FREE, that is shunned upon. the only downside is that if one drive fails, you lose all data. However if you were using raid0 as storage means for critical data then you are a moron. theres things called DVD's which are dirt cheap for backup, along with other types of RAID which will be more suited if you are storing CIA data.
     
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    raptors cost more for a reason....................................
     
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    and i can install XP from start to finish in about 13 minutes, compared to well over 20 previously. Placebo effect? I think not.
     
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    because installing windows is your daily task by which performance is needed :ugh:
     
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    No shit! That has already been covered..

    Please leave my comments in context of the post.
     
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    proof that raid0 performs better, get a fucking clue, asshat. disprove my previous statement, please.
     

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