Never polish a new car, right?

Discussion in 'That'll Buff Right Out' started by hellagrant, Dec 11, 2008.

  1. hellagrant

    hellagrant New Member

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    Although polishes come in so many freakin types, you should never polish a new paint job, right?

    Since the paint will be in great condition, polishing it would only eat away at the clear coat.

    Also, is there a website with a list of polishes and there abrasive levels?
     
  2. Morgan06

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    Well your paint may have already been color sanded and buffed, but if you want to go at it again and/or it needs it- just use a product advertised as 'body shop safe'. The important thing to remember is not to apply wax too soon.

    Most manufacturer's have their own rating system, but many also use a more universal rating by sand scratch removal. 1000-1500 grit would be heavy, 2000+ mild, and no mention is usually a finishing polish.
     
  3. Scottwax

    Scottwax Making detailing great again! Moderator

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    New paint as in brand new car? Yet to see a new car that didn't benefit from at least a light polish prior to waxing.

    I believe there is a chart somewhere on http://autopia.org that does what you are looking for.
     
  4. BlazinBlazer Guy

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    Old-school rumor that brand new cars shouldn't be waxed. As of about 15-20 years ago that stopped being the case. The factory paint on new cars typically is 100% cured the minute the parts leave the paint shop.

    Now fresh body shop re-paint is a separate story. For that you DO have to wait for it to flash off solvents and cure before waxing.
     
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    deusexaethera OT Supporter

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    What constitutes "too soon to apply wax"?
     
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    edit: on a repaint, should've clarified.
     
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    All of this 'too soon' / 'no silicones' talk is for fresh paint, not a new car- two completely different things. Seems to be a bit of back and forth on what the original question was.

    You can wax a new car as soon as it's off the carrier and PDI'd.

    And Jrock is right, 90 is as safe as you can get. Some paint manufacturers suggest 30-60. You don't want to trade solvent pop on fresh paint for an extra month of protection.
     
  8. justin30513

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    I have so many customers that respond to me saying that their car is new and that it doesn't need waxing.........the dealership told me it doesn't. It has clear coat.

    ARGGGH!!!

    You only have to wait on uncured paint and that even depends on the type of system used. Some can be waxed within hours.
     
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    you have to wax clearcoat? :confused:
     
  10. justin30513

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    You're not serious are you?
    Can't tell on the internet.

    Basically clearcoat is clear paint for adding depth. It's what we polish out to remove swirls and what we wax/seal to protect.

    Once again, tell me you were joking.
     
  11. Scottwax

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    He's messing with you Justin. :rofl:
     
  12. Run N. Gun

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    All that work and no full sun shots. :(
     
  13. hellagrant

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    Why would anyone believe anything that a dealership says? If anyone of you been in the industry or have professional contacts with the car sales industry, you know that all those guys know nothing about cars.
     
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    And customers still buy from them when they could go through the internet department and get a better deal while saving tons of time.

    I know this because I was a sales person for 5 years.
     
  15. Morgan06

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    big .

    I've still got a few packs of the 'Simoniz System 5 with TEFLON' sealants the sales dept. upsells for $350-800+. Salesman make that stuff out to be god mode for your new car.
     
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    No, the finance office does. They upsale it for that price. They make about 350.00 profit on each one sold. Crap. Most of the time it's just Meg's #21 but they are selling a "warranty" with it guaranteeing against paint damage for 4-5 years. Again, crap.

    How do I know? After I was a sales man for 5 years, I was a finance manager for 3.5 more years
     
  17. BlazinBlazer Guy

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    That's exactly why I always find out who the internet manager is at any dealership I go to; usually I can manage to sit down with them and work a deal. Then again, I also have this rare talent of pissing off salesmen so much with my negotiating style that I end up across the desk from the general sales manager with them bending over backwards to get a deal with me :mamoru:
     
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    NOOOO....You were a lie-nance manager??!! I used to work as a mechanic in a Honda dealership. The dealer I worked at was actually HONEST! But the sales manager and finance manager (who were in my old band) told me all of the tricks of the trade, so now salesmen and finance managers hate my guts when I go to buy a car, or take a friend to buy a car.

    Back on topic...brand new car...polish and wax the day you get it home. You're better off doing that to get rid of the inevitable swirls the minimum wage flunkie put into your paint while weilding a rotary polisher he has no business using. Fresh repaint..ask the body shop manager where the car was repainted. Paint systems vary, and there is no general rule of thumb.
     
  19. deusexaethera

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    Is that because the paint is still curing for a while afterwards, and you don't want to smear it around with a hot buffer?
     
  20. n2_space

    n2_space Space > *.*

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    It's because it has to cure (outgas). If you seal it with a wax or sealant it will make the paint soft.
     
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    Essplain yourself.

    Polish = clay and wax? Just wax?
     
  23. Scottwax

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    Polish is an abrasive product that removes minute amounts of clear coat to level the paint to remove scratches and swirls. The EDU explains the difference between clay, polish and wax. If it doesn't then the product sticky does.
     
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    Paulie Walnuts Im an agent of chaos

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    You can start by waxing my bikini line as summer is near and the dingleberries are getting ripe for picking!
     

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