GUN Nanny State makes our domestic wiretapping look like child's play

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  1. [DWI]

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    UK NEWS
    SPIES WILL TAP INTO ALL EMAILS AND CALLS

    Monday October 6,2008
    By Macer Hall Political Editor

    ALL telephone calls, emails and text messages in Britain will be monitored under new Government snooping plans.
    A £12billion identity database at the GCHQ spy centre could even log every website visited by computer users nationwide.

    Hundreds of bugging probes will be installed in the telephone system and computer networks to monitor communications traffic.

    GCHQ has already been handed £1billion of taxpayers’ cash to begin developing the database.

    After the top-secret plans were leaked yesterday critics accused the Government of stalking the public. Michael Parker of anti-identity card group No2ID said: “It is a shocking intrusion into privacy. This is stalking. If an individual carried out this sort of snooping, it would be a crime.”

    Shadow Home Secretary Dominic Grieve said the proposal marked “a substantial shift in the powers of the state to obtain information on individuals”. And after a series of embarrassing security blunders including the loss of child benefit records for every family in the country, he questioned Whitehall’s competence to keep such data. He said: “Given the Government’s poor record on protecting data and seeing how significant an increase in power this would be, we need to have a national debate and the Government would have to justify its need.”

    The plan for the biggest surveillance system in British history is being spearheaded by GCHQ director Sir David Pepper.

    It is currently classified as top secret and is being developed under the title: Interception Modernisation Programme.

    The aim is to set up a “live tap” on every electronic communication in the country. At present, security service MI5 carries out limited monitoring of email exchanges and internet use.

    Ministers have been told that the latest computer technology lays the grounds of a massive expansion of monitoring.

    The database is likely to be centred at GCHQ’s famous “doughnut”-shaped spy centre in Cheltenham, Gloucestershire.

    Further details will be released when the Government’s legislative programme is announced in the Queen’s Speech in December.

    The plan is even more ambitious than the Identity Cards scheme being gradually introduced by the Government at a cost of £5billion. While a final decision has yet to be taken, ministers are understood to have agreed to the move “in principle”.

    Supporters of the scheme claim it will help combat terrorism, computer fraud and internet-based paedophile rings.

    Yet critics point out the amount of information stored would be vast. Last year 57 billion text messages were sent in Britain, the equivalent of 1,800 every second. Around three billion emails are sent every day, equal to 35,000 every second.

    Michael Parker of No2ID said: “This database could have no practical use at all. It would be so big, it would be impossible to find anything useful.”

    Home Office insiders confirmed the plan was being discussed, although they disputed the reported £12billion price tag.

    A Home Office spokeswoman said police and intelligence agencies can already get information on phone calls from telephone companies. She said: “Develop-ments in technology mean that this capacity needs to be updated. Ministers and officials are considering how best to do this.”

    But the plan risks provoking a clash between ministers and Information Commissioner Richard Thomas, the Whitehall watchdog on data and privacy issues. A spokesman said: “The commissioner warned that it is likely that such a scheme would be a step too far for the British way of life. Proposals that threaten such intrusion into people’s lives must be properly debated.”

    A poll by data security firm GB Group last night found that only the gambling industry was trusted less by the general public than the Government to look after private records.
     
  2. Dumbstixlars

    Dumbstixlars Ron Paul/AR-15/Glock/old car/Scooby/R/C croo OT Supporter

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    Wow, and to think we are on that path.
     
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    My god... how do the citizens simply accept this? :ugh2:
     
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    idleprocess Bring a dollar with you baby in the cold cold grou

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    It's already here in the United States - just not as ambitious.

    Phone tapping - which used to involve physically "tapping" into the pair of wires leading to a specific phone line - has long been replaced by software and hardware facilities built into every phone company central office. Law enforcement agencies can monitor nearly any phone line at will. Technically they need a warrant, but since they have the hardware/software on their side at their disposal, a warrant just makes it admissible should they decide to use it in court.

    SMS monitoring can probably be done with much of the same equipment used for tapping landlines.

    The government has an impressive internet-monitoring suite at the MAE-West IXP which taps most of the backbones passing through it. It cannot possibly monitor all internet traffic at the user level, but it's great for looking at specific sites or analyzing certain aggregate statistics. There could be other such facilities at the other three major IXPs...
     
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    I actually applaud shit like this. Since I figure if the .gov is wasting their time building a system that is to large for anyone to actually use, they aren't spending that money or time doing stuff that could actually affect me.





    Plus, I think it'd be fun to fuck with them in emails and text messages.
     
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    i think i'm gonna call a friend over there and just say bomb scare tunnel like 500x times then hang up:rofl:
     
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    It'd be great, you could ad a line of text to the bottom of every email in a tiny font that blends into the background color with something like "bomb jihad allah al qaeda"
     
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    it didn't happen all at once. It was gradual. A slow, painless erosion.

    20 more years, and it'll be like V For Vendetta.
     
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    It's shit like this that just points at how accurate that old adage is: The Government should be afraid of it's people. The People should not be afraid of their Government.
     
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