to any and all interested. I just saw them open up for NIN the other night. Here is what I expirienced: Ok these guys were so fucking german, I think I saw Hitler crying balled up on the corner of the stage at one point. The guitarist came out wearing a white fuzzy mink vest looking thing with some tacky sunglasses. The bassist was just a carbon copy of Billy Idol. And the lead singer came out in a suit and tie over his enormous beer belly, (which the suit later was ripped open revealing part of his chest, etc. Not fun.) They seriously couldn't have been more typical German playboy glam electronica with their egos encompassing the whole ampitheatre. As far as the music goes, it was decent. They definately put on an interesting show. But at one point in the show, my whole opinion of "wow this band is alright" went to "OMG is that a SAXOPHONE!!?? What the bloody fuck!?!" Yes, a saxophone. Don't get me wrong, I love the instrument. Just not in my german industrial electronica collection, you know. Not to mention, the guy only knew like 3 notes on the damn thing to begin with and believe me as a musician, I can recall days in my basement after recording a song, picking up my little flute/recorder thing and playing along for a sec like "yeah cool, I can play my recorder to this song!! W00t!!" but I NEVER ACTUALLY PUT IT IN THE SONG BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT KOSHER!! Lmao. So all in all, they are OK musically. But just too into themselves for my standards. I've heard that they are one of Trent Reznors idols, so out of respect for Trent, they get two thumbs up out of 5 That is all.