Discussion in 'Vaginarium' started by signal, May 20, 2008.
"Making out and above"... Does touching and feeling lie below then?
That would be a question for her not us
Yes, honey, touching and feeling is fine.
Oh wait I'm not your girlfriend
To me cheating is overfriendly behavior
by that definition i've cheated with ugly women, several men, and my dog.
Not everyday that I read something on OT to make me spit coffee onto my keyboard
Well, not in so many words. I've just seen her be a little ignorant about our relationship before and it made me mad.
She gave out her phone number when she was drunk one time to some random dude while i was in the other room.. and he calls her sometimes.. she regrets it but still
i'm assuming she means that something like flirting wouldn't count as cheating.
but like everyone else said... ask her.
Collecting orbiters while you're in the restroom, eh?
And you asked her what happened, and she said,
"I was just being friendly?"
I did get the best head ever after I told her that she pissed me off for that
Awww that's really nice
1. I now @ the fact that in your other thread you were considering proposing to this girl
2. You are way too insecure and have too many trust issues with this girl to attempt a year long LDR....
3. In the moment that you asked her maybe she just wasn't really thinking To be honest, if my bf asked me on the spot where I thought cheating started I would say "kissing." Not because touching, rubbing, fingering, handjobs etc. aren't a big deal to me-hell no, that would totally count-but just because I can't see that ever happening first. In my mind kissing is the first thing you do.
Last night I went out drinking with a bunch of the employees that work at the bar. My 35-year-old boss's husband made me take a shot of wild turkey from a shot glass in between her huge perfect breasts.
The rest of the night he was grabbing tits on every waitress we work with. She saw him doing it half of the time.
Weird rules in that relationship imo
The dynamics of married couples can be far different than your typical unwed couple of say 2 years and less. If they have been together a long time they just don't seem to give a shit anymore about things like that. They know by that point that their spouse is coming home.
I consider it to be any "romantic" physical contact. Also if it feels like you are cheating, then you properly are.
and that's left for the guys to interpolate who kisses before touching?
Depends on the touching. I know I certainly kiss before being touched down town and I can' think of the last guy who "felt me up." Oh wait, it was in high school!
And it's already been quite obvious that the TS should have continued to question his girlfriend instead of ending the conversation, making a thread asking total strangers why she would say that, and further making it more awkward when he tries to bring up cheating again with her.
My thoughts on touching come from the idea of Kino.
"The common view of kino (note: kino = touching) is that you're giving the woman pleasure and that this arouses her and makes her attached to you.
That is certainly true, and we're lucky we live in a time when doing kino with a woman is considered acceptable as soon as you start getting to know her. In older times, guys like Casanova had to be extraordinarily seductive with their *words* just so they could get to the point where they could begin to use kino."
Read on... http://www.sosuave.com/halloffame/hall237.htm
I should have left the question for my girfriend out of the thread.
At first I thought the same thing - rubbing and whatnot comes after the kiss. But then I thought for a second, and what about backrubs? Those can precede making out. Sometimes they can be harmless, but I'd still be kinda if my g/f told me that another guy gave her a backrub not because I don't trust her, but because I would think it slightly disrespectful to me.
If flirting was cheating I wouldn't imagine anybody would ever want to date me again
I fully understand and respect the fact that girls and guys will always be playful or even flirt. In relationship it's toned down, but come on, nobody's sexual or playful impulses turn off to one person and one person only at all times.
In fact, if that was the case for a person, I would think it very unhealthy (even if it was my own girlfriend!)
I think cheating would be anything that you don't want your bf/gf to know that you're doing.
Obviously, this would hinge on what is acceptable for the bf/gf!
AND it's NOT a conversation I would have, either (key word: I). If I was to become exclusive with someone she would certainly know beforehand my personality and she can accept it or reject it.
Compromising is fine, but not to the point where you are making an uncharacteristic, unhealthy change in your behavior (ie/ not going to bars just with your friends, not chatting with your female friends as often because your gf gets jealous)
that doesnt even make sense... How weird of a definition for "felt you up" do you need to make for that to be a true statement?
I define cheating as
"If I get so angry I'm ready to knock out some teeth, shes' done cheated"