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  1. Nacho

    Nacho Fancy words here.

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    Power supply said pop crackle, fizz, smoke, etc. Ironically, now is when i learn that people don't skimp on power supplies anymore. :-/

    I was considering upgrading the computer i had, but now that nothing internal is salvagable things are different. The monitor, speakers, keyobard, mouse, etc. all seem to still work alright. I'd like to keep the new computer build under $1000, but it's flexible.

    Looking over the posts from random help with builds, i've noticed a few trends, and have tried to base my parts list off of that, and the fact i'd like the computer to last (read: work, as well as be able to meet minimum system requirements for games and whatnot, in 3-5 years). I'll likely do some casual gaming on the machine, as well as start to use it for some light video editing.


    So, this is what i'm thinking:

    CPU: Core 2 Duo E6400. $90 cheaper than the 6600, and sounds like it's overclock friendly. While i've never OC'd a system, I tend to buy componets that have the ability, for some reason.

    Core 2 Duo E6400: $217
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819115004

    Motherboard: Still up in the air here. The Asus P5B seems like a good budget part, but the remote with the P5W deluxe appeals to me, as i use my PC as a media device. And the reccomendations of the Gigabye and EVGA make it even more confusing.

    P5B: $135
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131030
    P5B deluxe: $183
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131045
    P5W Deluxe: $228
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131025
    EVGA: 250
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813188009

    RAM: I'm really thinking 1gb is all i need right now (even though i really want 2gb :o ). I see alot of Corsair XMS reccomendations, so i went for the DDR2 800 versions.

    But what's the real differences in these?
    1gb: $124
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145566
    1gb: $153
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145040

    Video card: No idea, honestly. 150-ish range seems like a decent place to start. nVidia is still beating ATi i assume. :dunno:

    Sound Card: Do people even buy these anymore? I've just got an old Altec Lansing 2.1 speaker setup, so i don't have any big surround sound needs. Then again, i never liked the integrated sound/video as i thought it would put unecessary load on the motherboard/ram.

    HDD: I don't really need anything more than the $95 320GB seagate, but i'm really enticed by the 750GB for $209 deal NewEgg has right now.

    320GB: $95
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148140
    750gb deal: 209
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148111

    DVD Burner(s): I liked my old lite-on, but it seems their quality has gone downhill, according to the reviews. Who makes good DVD/CD burners now a days?

    Network card: again, is this a part that matters much? I had an intel card for years that never gave me problems (now fried with the rest of the computer).

    Case: I like the design of this one, and it doesn't seem too over the top. And the extra cooling should help when/if i overclock the computer.
    CoolerMaster: $45
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811119068
    This also seems nice, but it's over 2x as much, @ $110 :hs:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811119035
    Or 'skimp' and get something like this: $40
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811119115

    Power Supply: Antec seems to be the way to go, and 500-600 seems to be the most commonly recommended range. But what's the difference in these 550s, besides the $15?
    Antec EA500 ATX12V v2.0 500W Power Supply 100 - 240 V UL, CUL, FCC, TUV, CE, CB, C-tick, CCC - Retail: 95
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817371007
    Antec NeoPower NeoHE 550 ATX12V 550W Power Supply 100 - 240 V UL, CUL, TUV, CE, FCC, CCC, CB, C-tick - Retail: 110
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817103941

    After the catastrophic failure of my last computer due to the power supply, i don't want to skimp here, but if there's no real benefits of one from the other, what's the point?


    I'm sure i'm forgetting something, but i guess this will do for now. Thanks in advance for the time and help. :)
     
  2. Nacho

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    Any help? I'd like to order this all by the end of the week :hs:
     
  3. Doc Brown

    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    Looks like you did your homework.
    CPU:
    The E6400 with a good overclocking board is the best deal going.

    MOTHERBOARD:
    The Asus P5W DH Deluxe is a fine board. Doesn't support SLI though.
    It even has an external SATA connector.
    One possible problem though. The board launched before Core 2 Duo's came out.

    That means there are still going to be some motherboards in the marketplace that have the
    old bios in them.
    The only way to upgrade the bios, is to either plug in an older Intel chip
    and do the update, or remove the bios and send it in for a replacement.

    Newegg moves their stock fast, so you could probably trust that they would have the newer
    version.

    You could go with the new Gigabyte boards.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128323
    Awesome for overclocking, backup bios up the yin yang, and solid capacitors ftw.

    You could also go with the eVga board.
    It's the latest greatest nForce 680i chipset, and supports quad core.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813188009


    MEMORY:
    The Corsair XMS you mentioned is great also. Just be sure to get the XMS2 version.

    The second one you posted has lower latency timings. 4-4-4-12 vs the first one's
    5-5-5-15.
    The lower latency version will tend to overclock better.
    With standard clocking, they would both be equally stable.

    SOUNDCARD:
    I wouldn't bother. The Asus, eVga and the Gigabyte boards all have 8 channels of audio.

    DVD BURNERS:
    There's something of a consensus around here that the NEC burners are the way to go.
    NEC manufactures their own drives, and they do it right.
    Next best thing to Plextor for a lot less money. $36 shipped from Newegg.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827152076

    NETWORK CARD:
    Do you mean for wireless?
    Because if you just mean for highspeed, they are built in now.
    If you mean wireless, somebody else will have to help here.
    I don't do networking.

    POWER SUPPLY:
    Antec True Power Trio TP3-550 $93 after a $15 rebate
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817371002

    Antec True Power Trio TP3-650 $99 shipped after a $25 rebate.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817371001

    AeroCool ZeroDBA-S620 $128 shipped
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817331002
    I used one of these on a dual Opteron Scsi build with 4 scsi drives
    and a pair of 7900gt cards with no problems.
    It wouldn't fit in my new Core 2 Duo build, so I had to go with an
    Antec True Power 2.0, because it was the only decent power supply
    that would fit my Antec micro atx case.

    My recommendation would be the Antec Trio 650 watter.

    CASE:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811208020
    I think it's critical to have a big fan in front of your hard drives.
    This Xion has a 120mm fan in front of the drives, and also
    one in back plus a 80mm fan on the side that you can disconnect if
    it seems too loud for you.
    A great case for $60 shipped after a $20 rebate

    The Thermaltake Sopranos are sexy looking cases in black or silver
    for $90 shipped
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811133147
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811133148
     
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  4. Nacho

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    Thanks for the reply :)

    Your comment about the ASUS board makes me leery of them. I guess i'll decide between the evga or the gigabyte. For some reason, i'm leery of 'new' (to me) brands, but my epox board i used last time has been as solid as my old asus was.

    Thanks for calrifying the memory thing. I guess i'll drop the little bit extra on the better stuff.

    On the drives, we've had a few problems with NEC drives at work (smalll video production house) accepting formats lately. :hs: Anyone else, outside of Plextor woth a look?

    For the network card, i meant wired. I missed that they were built in on new systems, somehow. That'll save me $10. :big grin: Same with the sound card. :)

    As for the cases, i prefer something without a panel top open in front of the media drives, nor big flashy lights and/or clear windows everywhere. I'll look around for a case w/ more fans, i guess.

    Any reccomendations for a decent video card? Would you personally spring for the extra storage at that newegg price?
     
  5. Doc Brown

    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    The Seagate 750gb for 200 would be a monster deal, but you didn't link to it though. The one you linked was a 250gb drive.

    I'm very surprised to hear you had trouble with NEC burners.
    Were they recent models? The new 16x and 18x drives are really excellent.
    Other than NEC though, maybe Sony, Liteon, or LG.
    I've heard a lot of good about LG drives, as well.

    As far as video cards go, this one is $155 after rebate, and for the price
    it kicks some serious ass.
    XFX 7900GS Extreme edition
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814150202
     
  6. Nacho

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    The combo deal thing is listed on the bottom of that page. :o

    About a year ago was the last one. We've been using Plextors since, but i don't want to drop quite as much on a drive that i'll use significantly less than the ones at work.

    Our replicator has sony dual layers in it, but i'm not sure of the exact model #. :hs:

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    Thanks :)
     
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    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    Oh, it's two drives for a total of 750gb. Still not bad for $200.

    I think a lot of the buginess of burners has to do with the software being used. I've had quirky bugs with Liteon for some reason, and friends of mine have had nothing but luck.

    I've got a Plextor 716A and it works flawlessly.

    To me it's Plextor > NEC > LG > Liteon, with Sony somewhere in the middle of that.
     
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    The fact that NONE of the potential hard drives seem to be without some sort of problem is sketchy to me :hs:
     
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    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    Seagate >***


    Don't let a couple of negative comments on newegg discourage you.

    Seagate has a 5 year warranty on ALL of their hard drives.

    The first one you have listed is an excellent drive.

    With the combo deal, the smaller drive is only an 8mb drive.

    Since you would probably install your os on the smaller drive,
    you might be better off just getting a pair of the 320gb drives.
    That's still 640gb total for $200.

    Unless you plan on saving full dvd's to the hard drive,
    it would take a while before you filled them bad boys up.
     
  10. deusexaethera

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    1. Get the Asus board with the remote control.

    2. Buy the 2GB of RAM now, while you can still get a matched set.

    3. I've had a lot of problem with static using onboard sound, even on expensive motherboards. A Sound Blaster Audigy 2ZS solved that problem permanently for me.
     
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    I have no idea why i said hard drives when i meant motherboards :o

    Sorry about that. :x

    The combo should be a 250gb and a 500gb for 750gb total. :dunno:
     
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    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    I can't help but wonder how much the speakers effect that.

    I'm on my third build with this pair of Monsoon planar speakers and I
    have never ever had even a tickle of static through them.
    All with onboard sound.
     
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    Do they still make those?
     
  14. Nacho

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    Are any motherboards not going to accept the 2.1 ram off the bat, as opposed to the 1.8 stuff?

    I'm 95% sure my old board fried the ram, so i don't have any on hand to put in to mess w/ bios.
     
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    Awww man, :wtc:, your PC died a horrible death :(
     
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    It's certainly possible. My speakers make a nice crackling sound when I change the volume nowadays, but the constant quiet static I heard went away as soon as I got my Sound Blaster.
     
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    At least it was kinda exciting :hs:
     
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    ......................Part ..........................price........................ Mail-in Rebate.
    Processor .................Intel Core 2 Duo E6400................. 217
    Motherboard ...............GIGABYTE GA-965P-DQ6......... 198
    RAM..... .................Corsair XMS2 1gb........ ...........124
    Video.... .................XFX PVT71PUDP3..................... 185....... 30
    HDD..... .................Seagate 320gb............ .........95
    Sound.... .................Built-in.................................. 0
    Case.... .................CoolerMaster CAC-T05-UW.. ...........50
    Power Supply ..............Antec 650w.............. 124 .................25
    DVD burner ...............NEC Black 18X DVD+R............ 31
    DVD burner 2................. None............................ 0
    Network Card.............. Built-in ..........................0

    Total 1024 55

    Good? (sorry for no links, i took this off my excel sheet. Most parts should be linked above.)
     
  19. Doc Brown

    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    No, but you can get decent deals on them from Ebay.

    This time of the year, they may be hard to find though.

    After the holidays when people have more time on their hands,
    you may see some listed.

    You want the Planar media 9's or 14's.

    The 9's were a 6.5" long throw sub, and the 14's were an 8" long throw.

    I've got a bunch of pairs of the 9's that I use in different rooms.
    Weight room, living room, bedrooms, etc.
    They're freaking awesome. :bowdown:


    This guy has a pair of the 14's on ebay, but he doesn't say what the shipping would be. I would email in advance.
    http://cgi.ebay.com/MONSOON-PLANARMEDIA-14-SPEAKERS-click-for-more-info_W0QQitemZ330061324013QQihZ014QQcategoryZ3702QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

    If you keep checking, you should be able to find a pair for somewhere around $75. The 9's were originally around $140, and the 14's were closer to $200.

    Incredible imaging.
     
  20. Doc Brown

    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    Well that's because of the volume control on the speakers though.
    That's not from the soundcard.

    Back in the day of real amplifiers (remember those? :mamoru: ), you could
    take the amp apart, open up the volume pot and apply a contact conditioner.
    Or better yet, replace it with a high end pot.
     
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    Nacho Fancy words here.

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    I've got it all together on NewEgg, but i'm still skurd to pull the trigger. :o

    I cant remember: Do computer/parts prices usually go down much after the holidays?
     
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    Fancy that.

    I was talking about the constant, quiet static. I know that the static from the volume control isn't related to the sound card.
     
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    Now i kinda thnk i should get the EVGA board over the gigabyte. :hs:

    I suck at pulling the trigger so bad :o
     
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    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    Ah, but you said when you change the volume.

    Unless you always change the volume inside software, you would have to turn the volume pot.
     
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    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    Those are the tough choices that make building your own so fun! :noes:
     

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