GUN Might be time to stock up on 5.45 prices might go up

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  1. TL1000RSquid

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    Could drive up prices on Wolf 7.62 too.

    Georgia says "very close" to war with Russia

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080506/wl_nm/georgia_russia_minister_dc
    By Mark John Tue May 6, 11:27 AM ET

    BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Russia's deployment of extra troops in the breakaway Georgian region of Abkhazia has brought the prospect of war "very close," a minister of ex-Soviet Georgia said on Tuesday.
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    Separately, in comments certain to fan rising tension between Moscow and Tbilisi, the "foreign minister" of the breakaway Black Sea region was quoted as saying it was ready to hand over military control to Russia.

    "We literally have to avert war," Temur Iakobashvili, a Georgian State Minister, told reporters in Brussels.

    Asked how close to such a war the situation was, he replied: "Very close, because we know Russians very well."

    "We know what the signals are when you see propaganda waged against Georgia. We see Russian troops entering our territories on the basis of false information," he said.

    At a banking event in Madrid, Vice Finance Minister Dimitri Gvindadze said the Georgian economy was holding up despite the tensions. However ratings agency Fitch said a conflict would likely hit Georgia's ratings but not immediately Russia's.

    "Obviously if we have an unfreezing of the conflict that will be extremely negative for the country (Georgia) and would lead to negative ratings action," Fitch's Edward Parker told Reuters in London.

    Georgia, a vital energy transit route in the Caucasus region, has angered Russia, its former Soviet master with which it shares a land border, by seeking NATO membership.

    Russia has said its troop build-up is needed to counter what it says are Georgian plans to attack Abkhazia, a sliver of land by the Black Sea, and has accused Tbilisi of trying to suck the West into a war -- allegations Georgia rejects.

    Tensions have been steadily mounting and escalated after Georgia accused Russia of shooting down one of its drones over Abkhazia in April, a claim Russia denied.

    An extra Russian contingent began arriving in Abkhazia last week. Moscow has not said how many troops would be added but said the total would remain within the 3,000 limit allowed under a United Nations-brokered ceasefire agreement signed in 1994. Diplomats expect the reinforcement to be of the order of 1,200.

    SECURITY GUARANTEES

    Russian soldiers acting as peacekeepers patrol areas between Georgian and Abkhazian forces but handing full military control of the breakaway province to the Kremlin would alarm both the Georgian government and its allies in the West.

    "Those 200 km (120 miles), the distance between the Psou and the Inguri rivers, are all Abkhazia. We agree to Russia taking this territory under its military control," Sergei Shamba, "foreign minister" of Abkhazia, told Russian newspaper Izvestia.

    "In exchange, we will demand guarantees of our security."

    Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said Moscow had not received an official request from Abkhazia for its military to take control of the region.

    Iakobashvili urged EU states to take a more active role in the region, with options including the deployment of border monitors or a police mission.

    Diplomats said EU President Slovenia was studying sending a delegation at the level of state secretaries to Georgia as a gesture of solidarity, but a number of ex-communist EU states were insisting it should be a full-fledged ministerial visit.

    (Additional reporting in Moscow by James Kilner; Editing by Dominic Evans)
     
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    i got a friend that bought 2 crates but one is for me as soon as i pay him. that should be enough for a while. :o
     
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    I dont have any guns that take these calibers anyway.
     
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    perfect reason to buy one :o

    bushmaster is coming out with a 5.45 upper and there's always the need for another ak variant in the collection :o
     
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    If bushy is coming out with the 5.45 upper, I'm there.
     
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    I just dumped all my AK variants.

    I dont want anymore.:hs:
     
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    well, i have 3 47s so i need a 74

    and another 47 to complete the series. :o
     
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    No, threads like this are what make prices go up. The 5.45 you're buying is SURPLUS. It's BEEN surplus for a while, and is not part of new production. That means that when you buy this stuff, it's part of a fixed supply that will eventually run out. It is not affected by military use, because it's ammo that the military has already given up for sale. They don't buy it back.
     
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    i'll be getting a crate or two (maybe three :x:) in the next few months
     
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    Such goofy ass looking bullets though.
     
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    But if they ramp up production of 5.45 it could affect some of the commercially available 5.45, I'm pretty sure a couple of the russian commercial suppliers also do there mil orders, commercial prices rise, greedy dealers here will jack up the prices of it across the board.
     
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    To pick up a mosin do you have to have a C&R permit?
     
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    For most of them, sometimes you'll come across some 91/30's that are old enough to be classified as antiques and require no licensing to be shipped to you.
     
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    Looks like I have to switch citizenship to MO.
     
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    C&R is the way to go especially if you like old rifles, if you just want a single Mosin shop around locally most shops here carry them but only a couple have prices I'd consider paying. The antique ones are more expensive and good chance the headspace is off.
     
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    Commercially available ammo is NOT the cheap stuff. It's still not expensive, but you can save almost $50/thousand, if not more, by buying surplus. It's not like commercial is double the price, but commercial ammo WOULD be affected by a production change, where surplus would not. Surplus will be affected when it starts to become scarce, if no more ammo is surplussed.
     

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