GUN Massad Ayoob says there are only two types of shooters:

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  1. P-chan

    P-chan New Member

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    Those who have had an ND (negligent discharge) and those who will. Do you agree?
     
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    I don't think much of ayoob and this time is no different.
     
  3. P-chan

    P-chan New Member

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    Any reasons? Not that I think Ayoob is the end-all-be-all of gun knowledge, but the shit he says generally seems to make sense.
     
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    I agree.

    Doesn't mean that people should slack off on safety though.
     
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    Never heard of the guy, so I'll say wrong.
     
  6. geekboy

    geekboy Target Agent OT Supporter

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    yup
     
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    KIDRR Duck dog>* OT Supporter

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    No I don't agree. My Grandpa is 82 and has never had one after handling and owning firearms since he was 5. He always carries with one in the chamber and has done so for years and years. He's on his last legs so unless he has one from the hospital bed he went his whole life without having one. My dad is 55 and hasn't had one either.
     
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    One of my top reasons is the 30 year old terminal ballistic theory he preaches.

    Another big question I have is the same question I posed in the stupid trainers thread. Just what qualified him to be an expert other than him collecting some followers? He's a part time cop (I don't even know if paid or not) in a tiny town. As it was put best by someone else:
    I'm not sure that I see his opinion as having really any more value than that of your average arfcom poster.

    He seems to cite a lot of unspecificed court cases too. Overall I'm not impressed and he just seems like a gun rag writer like the guys you'll find at any gun range/shop/show.

    I don't see any value in teaching people that ND's are unavoidable, nor the value to our pro-gun cause to have people hear that gun accidents are unavoidable.
     
  9. geekboy

    geekboy Target Agent OT Supporter

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    the lead firearm instructor in my academy was ex-Green Beret with multiple combat tours, sergeant for full-time SWAT, and an incredible shooter.

    he put a bullet in the ceiling while he was teaching a firearm class. I don't know whether he did that on purpose or not.
     
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    [DWI] Master of Nothing

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    Kind of . . .

    his "those that will" group only exists if people live forever, I personally hope my ND schedule date is after my expiration date.
     
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    I've had 2 ND's. Once while clearing a jam during practice, and once during a championship match during a reload. The one during the jam was equally equipment related.
     
  12. THT

    THT The easy way is always mined

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    Zombie ND :noes:
     
  13. Paul Revere

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    i kinda had an ND once while shooting trap.

    didnt yell pull, just for some reason i shouldered the shotgun and pulled the trigger.

    didn't do any harm, i shot the same direction that i would have shot if i had yelled pull, but i didnt expect to pull the trigger so it freaked me out a little :o

    :hs:
     
  14. kellyclan

    kellyclan She only loves you when she's drunk.

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    Yes, which is why good handling practices are critical, so when it does happen, it happens in such a way/direction that it minimizes danger.
     
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    I had more of an AD than a ND.

    It was my first time with my friend's 1911.

    I had it pointed down range, and as I was aquiring a sight picture, I let my finger touch the trigger, and it went boom.
     
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    I think it's bullshit.
     
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    I fucked up and shot my sliding glass door.
     
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    I had an AD as a kid, I was at the range with my dad, and I was told to lower the hammer on a .30-30. my 12 year old thumb slipped off the hammer and BOOOM.
     
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    Me too...except it was on a .357 wheelgun
     
  20. JRMS

    JRMS Failing at life

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    That's as close as I've come too.
    Mine was a black powder with a trigger you couldn't breath on. Touched it while raising it to the target and BLAM!
     
  21. RonJeremey

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    I have had them during training... one was during a rifle drill, double tapped when I didn't mean too... the ND was a better hit than my aimed shot :rofl:

    Outside of the range or a "safe" zone, I have been close enough to an ND that hopefully my brain is scarred with the cardinal rule and I don't have to figure out what I did wrong.
     
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    I'm going to go ahead and have them bury me with a gun just in case I am not dead.
     
  23. RonJeremey

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    I think it's more reason to pay attention to safety... And train more :mamoru:
     
  24. Sailor Jerry

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    A guy I know once listed off all his ND's to me once. There were like 5 or 6 of them. As :ugh: as it was, I couldn't help but :rofl:.
     
  25. hsmith

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    i mean, are those really ND's?

    To me, it is more "i am in my house and i was fucking around and put a bullet through the floor"
     

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