GUN looking for good hunting rifle for yung'un

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  1. AVengeance

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    I'm looking for a good deer rifle for my son. Not quite a teen. Not a large build, but pretty strong for his size. Obviously, safety and accuracy are more important than take-down power. Any reccomendations? I personally deer hunt with a Rock River AR15, and my wife uses our 12ga. The AR is a little too heavy for him (long barrel version). Would the shorter barrel version be OK (I could even take the 12ga. and just get a different upper for him to use), or should I look elsewhere?

    Thanks!
     
  2. eWRXshun

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    why not a nice bolt action for a 1st gun? something in .243 maybe? maybe the remington model 7? if he wants a semi-maybe the ruger mini 14 or 30?
     
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    skeletor25rs Yetis & Deer

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    I killed my first deer with a ruger mini 14 :wavey:
     
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  5. Painkiller

    Painkiller Sometimes remembering is better than forgetting

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    .243 bolt action
     
  6. Goat

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    No, and personally I consider .223 to be far too small for hunting medium size game, the smallest I'd use is .243. But, .223's legal.
     
  7. 7

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    a .223 is what professionals refer to as a "crippler caliber"; .223 and calibers around that size have no place in medium game hunting. Most would reccomend a .243 as the smallest caliber to hunt deer with and some would still say that is too small. .270 or 7mm-08 would be another good choice for kid.
     
  8. Goat

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    Most states don't have a caliber limit, they just specify that they can't be rimfire. I know some states like Colorado have a caliber size limit on muzzleloaders, so I'm sure they have one on rifles too.
     
  9. Goat

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    Is that just for deer, or does it include elk too?
     
  10. Goat

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    That's still too small really, the deer out there get big, and Elk are huge.
     
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    lever action 30-30 would be a good first deer gun.
     
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    .243 is fine for most smaller deer. .270win can drop most other large game.
     
  13. AVengeance

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    Just FYI, I've put plenty of food in the freezer with my .223. I've also never shot a deer that got away. I go for head/neck shots if I have the AR15 with me, and won't take a bad shot- I'd rather let it walk away. Problem is, I know my son can't shoot the 12ga. (I remember what happened to me at that age!), and if he hit something with the AR, it'd run off and die somewhere I couldn't find it, and that would suck. So I'm looking for an in-between. Something light is going to have kick, and something heavy would be hard to hold up. So there's a compromise in there somewhere. I wouldn't want him getting excited and putting 5-6 rounds in the air trying to hit a deer like you see people shooting at each other in the movies, so a bolt-action might work, although I guess he'd have to try it out.
    Thanks for the suggestions, and keep 'em coming
     
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  15. user32

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    I didn't realize that many people hunted with .223, but then again it is all about shot placement.

    I would also recommend a lever action .30-30, they are simple to operate, have decent knock-down power and not too much recoil. You can fit them with scopes but the longest shot I would take with a .30-30 would be about 150-200 yards... but for a younger or inexperienced hunter I wouln't recommend taking longer shots anyways.
     
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    Definately a bolt action...it'll help him learn better shot placement/choice then a semi would. Plus, the kick shouldn't matter *too* much if he's only taking one shot at it. Using a semi for deer hunting with inexperienced youth seems to look like more trouble than it'd be worth.
     
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    You can definately kill a deer with a .223, I'm not questioning that, its just that with a larger caliber you have more room for error if you were to put a bad shot on an animal. If you want a youth-sized rifle you should look into browning micro hunters, very nice guns.
     
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    Bolt action .270 would be my recommendation.
     
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    7 First comes smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire.

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    two of my friends have those exact rifles sans the accutrigger (which is another fine reason to buy one) and they've taken many dear with them. They arent the sharpest looking rifles around but they're excellent shooters.
     
  21. Goat

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    I'm well aware, my dad uses a .243 for deer, and so do I. What I meant was that further West the deer get much larger than they do here in West Virginia, so I would probably use something bigger, like a .270, 7mm, .30-06, etc.
     
  22. Goat

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    killing an Elk has alot more to with skill than it does your choice of rifle :o

    and the reason most people don't use surplus military rifles is the lack of quality ammunition available (excluding .308. .30-06, etc), weight, build quality, and the fact that many of them are heavily used and have no real warranties. I'm not saying it can't be done, but most people don't want to deal with the hassle of it all.
     
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    .30-30 is the best choice in my opinion. Fairly powerful round that can take down medium game easily and humanely. The recoil is not bad at all.
     
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    My first two when I was young was a pump .243 and a lever 30-30.
     
  25. krott5333

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    if new, go savage, best bang for the buck, I guarantee it. If used, well, Id go with a Ruger M77 or a Rem 700, preferably the BDL.
     

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