MMA Lifting then training 1-2 hours after? Need some tips. (cramping, and etc.)

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  1. k1d.

    k1d. New Member

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    Just looking for some tips..

    Due to my schedule, I basically gotta train 1-2 hours right after I lift..

    I'm on a 5x5 split, and I squat heavy pretty much 2/3 of the 3 days I lift...

    I got Muay Thai right after my lifts, and my legs seem to be fuked by the time I get there... I'll usually either cramp up at the beginning and be good the rest of the session, or cramp up towards the end... Also my endurance drops dramatically...

    My question is... is this just happening because my muscles are not used to it, and I need to man up and stop bitching? Or is squatting heavy before Muay Thai is pretty damn stupid..

    Also anything I can eat/drink to help me out in this situation?

    -Thanks
     
  2. Titus

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    . if something isn't working for you, why the fuck would you keep doing it? common sense mang...
     
  3. brolli

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    what does your schedule look like?
     
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    Well I can only work out at school... so I work out Monday/Wednesday/Friday.
    I have BJJ T/Th/F, and Muay Thai M/W.

    By the time I get out of class, I usually have a 3-4 hour time frame before training. And if I want to work out, thats basically the only time I can do it.


    Well this is my 2nd time doing Muay Thai after lifitng... Just trying to figure out if its because my muscles are not used to it, or etc.
    Sorry
     
  5. k1d.

    k1d. New Member

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    Not even lifting for body building.
    The only lifts I do are Squat, Bench, Deadlifts, BORs, and Military Press.
    Trying to get strength.

    Just figured I could train and get strong at the same time.
     
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    True.
    I'll just start squatting lighter then usual.
    Thanks for everyone's advice.
     
  7. 2ofdem

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    I have found lunges with 20-40kg and running stairs were much more effective then squats when building usable leg strength for sports.
     
  8. Civil Disobedient

    Civil Disobedient "Die Biting The Throat" OT Supporter

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    You just need to time your workouts better. You can lift anywhere, so find a gym that gives you freedom to separate the two workouts, and by that I mean like damn near the whole day. I just got back on the mat a few weeks ago, and I'm still lifting, no problems. :knocks on wood:

    If you can, lift after your training. Also, pay attention to your nutrient intake and timing. lots of simple carbs and fast digesting protein post workout (read gatorade and whey). and slow carbs (veggies) and aminos/protein pre workout.
     
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    Are you doing the bill starr routine?

    It didnt work well with bjj for me. And I wouldn't imagine it doing well for any other combat sport. That routine is made for football.

    Feel free to lower your weight and up your reps, also I know a few guys that train Thai and when they squat its usually high rep quarter squats. The quarter squat is because that is their usual ROM in their sport.

    Choose your goal, and don't overtrain. Have fun.
     
  10. k1d.

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    Yeah I really wanted to workout after my training...
    But if I were to drive to school, then back towards my house to train.. then back to the other side of town.. I'll be wasting a good 3+ hours(depends on the shitty Houston traffic) a day just driving.

    Thats why I kind of set it up to where I drive to school where I can lift, then on the way home I stop by to train, then head straight home.


    Yeah I'm doing the Bill Starr Routine.
    Did you just use the same platform but lowered your weight and upped your reps? Or did you completely change the routine?
     
  11. Civil Disobedient

    Civil Disobedient "Die Biting The Throat" OT Supporter

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    Houston is a large city right? and people there are not as fat as people in Wisconsin right? i'm sure there is some type of establishment with weights near where you live. But hey, lift in the morning and make sure you get proper nutrition all day. might work out by the time you get to train. :dunno:
     
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    -kept all the same lifts
    -added a extra day and spread out the workload
    -for the core lifts of squat, dead, bench I stopped using the approach of always trying to add weight to the 3&5RM's. Rather for bench I warmup to 185 and to two very high rep sets (I want to get to a point where I can do ~40-50 reps of that).
    As for squats and deads, if I go beyond 12reps my back or knees start to hate me. So ill sub with box jumps, lunges, or body weight squats if I feel like I need some extra work.
    Pretty much its a weight marginally above your own, high reps, short rests. Kind of simulating the tests you'll experience in your sport.
     
  13. adrenalin112

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    :mamoru:
    Houston is the fattest city in America.
     
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    Yeah... Houston is pretty much the fattest city in America...

    Theres a few gyms in the area.. but I figured if the university wants to charge me for access to the rec, I might as well use it instead of paying a extra 50 bucks a month to have access to a gym near the house. I'm already paying enough for BJJ and MT... =(
     
  15. Civil Disobedient

    Civil Disobedient "Die Biting The Throat" OT Supporter

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    bullshit! no way does america contain anyone fatter that Wisconsinites, especially in the Forbes' "drunkest city in america"

    man, people here are fat as shit. but there are lots of gyms with lots of hours. i can't believe its that fat of a city, but i know its bigger, so there have to be alot of gyms was the point though i was making.
     
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    Civil Disobedient "Die Biting The Throat" OT Supporter

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    never put a price tag on what you love
     
  17. Ricey McRicerton

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    Agreed 100%.

    The only time I've tried to lift heavy and go roll BJJ was like Labor day. I got up, lifted by 10 am, came home, took a nap, and was still spent for bjj at 6:30.
     
  18. apman0000

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    bullshit, you can lift and train.

    jesus christ why do you people act like you can't lift weights if you train mma, that shit makes no sense
     
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    5x5 as in 5 heavy sets (at the same weight) or 5 sets leading up to a heavy set?
     
  20. gtpjim

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    Bill Starr and I are legit brother.

    I am currently doing the 5x5 routine as laid out in practical programming but there are variations therefore I am checking with the OP. :)
     
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    If you are having trouble with getting three days in just change your workout and lift 2 times a week. You can suppliment anything you do with bodyweight exercises which only take 20 minutes.
     
  22. apman0000

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    lol, wrestled thru jr high highschool and college and now train MMA but okay lol. and i lift 4 days a week, after i roll i go to good ole 24hr fitness and lift till i puke as i lifted after wrestling practice for the majority of my life.

    saying you can't lift and train mma is fucking retarded
     
  23. apman0000

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    lol ok man,,,,ok

    (there's a difference between training MMA and saying your gonna fight in a PPV, i'm in my 30's man, this shit is for fitness not to win a belt, grow up)
     
  24. adrenalin112

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    :rofl:


    Apeman, No one is saying don't lift.
    Were saying the body isn't meant to max effort powerlift right after busting ass in muay Thai or grappling. But apparently you're better than everyone else, so maybe you should go ask Dana for your title shot. I hope you don't have issues with exclusivity though.
     
  25. Kozzy McKoz

    Kozzy McKoz OT Supporter

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    the 5x5 is pretty taxing to do with MMA. do a split.
     

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