MIL Life as an officer

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  1. VladTemplar

    VladTemplar New Member

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    I know I just made a thread a bit ago, but I figured a change in topic probably deserved a different thread for new readers. I was wondering if there was any sort of basic stuff i could read up on in terms of life as an officer in the Navy. From basic stuff as towards what to expect when it comes to berthing / facilities on a ship to the general musings of the expectations and whatnot from day to day life as an officer.

    From what it seems, most people here are enlisted and that's great. I've found a lot of stuff pertaining to life as an enlisted person within the various services, but nothing pertaining to life as an officer. Granted, there may not even be that many differences, just trying to read up on this.
     
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    depends on your job
     
  3. VladTemplar

    VladTemplar New Member

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    Well I can't say what I'd get, but I'm rather certain I could land myself in intelligence. I'm not too worried about any of the test batteries they'd throw my way.
     
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    Good question actually.

    I wish I had some info for you.
     
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    you sound pretty sure of yourself, you like language?

    and why intel in the NAVVVVYYYYYY
     
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    ManinCamo I wear big boy pants.

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    I worked with a couple of intel ensigns, we used to laugh at them a lot for being pretty much clueless about everything
     
  11. VladTemplar

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    Languages aren't the only part of analysis. I'm pretty sure of myself because every officer I've ever talked to on this subject says I'd be good at intel.

    As for the Navy, why not? Navy is doing a lot of R&D revolving around the newer generations of vessels with regard to effectiveness in lattoral waters. I find the whole idea of the navy fascinating, even used to read old tall ship novels back when I was a kid because I found it interesting.

    Plus my father was an enlisted Marine, I'll get shit for joining the Navy and being an officer, but it would be a nice bond.

    If I didn't do the Navy I'd go to grad school and get a PhD in political science specializing in international relations, but more specifically, security studies. As I see it, being in intelligence for awhile would be a great start to that.
     
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    i dont know about the navy, but its not always as easy as saying, hey, i wanna be intel.
     
  13. VladTemplar

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    I was under the impression that with good enough scores and a desire to be in a certain area that they'd try to accomidate. Obviously I'd be at the whim of the Navy and all that, but surely they wouldn't throw me into surface warfare just to spite me interest in intel (though surface warfare would be interesting too).
     
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    i fail to see how intel/CTI would quench your fascination for the NAVY and its R&D w/ improved methods....seems like you would be a better fit in a lab that makes naval equipment :dunno:

    if you are interested in international relations, you should join the army as an officer and try out civil affairs once you become promotable to CPT. you can spend your LT time as an intel officer...or quartermaster or whatever the army feels :mamoru:

    as far as life as an officer in the navy: picture filipino cabana boy that serves your meals in a white tuxedo and even wipes your face after you eat. each officer is personally assigned a mistress while on sea duty...or at least thats what my dad told me he saw as an enlisted guy looking in on the officer's quarters one time, but then again he was drunk so i kind of doubt the accuracy of his memory

    actually im an army officer but the same thing is true of all O1s-O3s
    you dont really know anything, you will get made fun of, trust your NCOs (well the ones that are worth a damn)...its all how you make it

    in the end you will feel like you got screwed because another officer buddy had a much better commissioning deal...or maybe thats just me :o

    /pointless rambling

    cliffs: i have no idea what its like to be a navy officer
     
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    Just seemed like what I've been able to procure on the subject would have a lot to do with security studies, dealing with the power of state and non-state actors and their capabilities against various US interests. The idea of becoming a specialist on one specific group and writing reports on it is completely fascinating to me, the thought that I could at one point be in a position to provide information that would allow US forces to outwit and out manuver an enemy in anyway whatsoever is equally fascinating.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not expecting some life of guns, sex, and booze. I pretty much expect to push a bunch of paper around and read my ass off. However, being actively involved in real time intelligence would suit my desires of gaining knowledge in security studies so that, when it came time to decide whether to re-enlist or go home I could decide whether it was worth it to stay or whether it was smarter to take the knowledge I'd gained and put it to use getting a PhD and teaching.

    Hell, the idea of a war college posting one day would be VERY nice.
     
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    I can only comment on life on a larger ship, however the officers onboard share a stateroom with generally one other person. Sometimes three if we have a lot of contractors that come onboard when we get underway and need living quarters. This is true up until department head level who have their own stateroom and obviously CO/XO and in our case the flag have their own. You have actual materesses, about twin/full size... versus the enlisted 2" thick piece of foam in a 2.5' by 6' rack. Definatly a decent amount of storage space, should never get low on that. Under the beds is storage, then most staterooms have a stand up "closet". It is definatly nicer to unwind after a days "work" going to a stateroom than a rack in a berthing with 200 others.

    So, we've established living arrangements are much nicer than enlisted. Wardroom (your messing) is also nicer. Atmosphere is way nicer than downstairs in the enlisted messdecks. Think school cafeteria downstairs and teachers lounge upstairs. Enlisted & officers are served same food, however when cooking for 100-150 it is usually a lot better tasting than when cooking for 1200. Presentation is also nicer.

    Most of your day does consist of paperwork, reporting to your department head on the affiars of your division (99% of officers are division officers, junior ones), and making sure your chiefs know what you want/need done. Ours is always out at officer meetings & training. Officers also usually stand either bridge or CIC watch regardless of their job, so you would be getting training in other areas of the ship regardless if you wanted to stick with pure intel... especially at the begining when you would probably be the division officer of a JIC or TS space.

    We've had 2 intel officers (commanders) onboard since ive been on the ship, first one was pretty cool, new one is eh... leave it at that. Under him is usually an assistant security officer... been a LT entire time ive been onboard, both were a bit geeky. Have had 2 "intel divos" since onboard, first one was cool as hell, the new one... wow, knows nothing about anything, even his job.

    Bringing me to my last point, if your an officer you wont be drafting reports, doing research, etc. Thats work, and sorry to disappoint you but it's done by your people (CTIs, ISs, etc). They create the powerpoint presentations, they do the research, they man watch stations that go through various intel sources, etc. You sit back, do some administrative paperwork, and thats it. This is the navy at least, I know when the marines come on board they have some intel officers and they actually at least look like they're doing something. I don't know if they actually do, or they're better at faking it than navy officers.
     
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    Ahh thanks a lot, that answered a lot of questions. Are the showers communal then or what?

    Since you're an LT, did you find that you could pretty much save all your money while you were on deployment? I'm basically guessing that between 500-600 minimum of my monthly salary will have to go towards loan payments, but I was hoping to be able to send more than that towards the payments and stick the rest in savings to either be invested and have a "rainy day" fund.

    How about life on shore (if you've had that yet)? How easy was it to save money? How many of those "social functions" were you required to attend, and did it cost you much to do so? Since there are those social functions, did you find the allowances for uniform upkeep adequate?
     
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    oh im not a LT :p im enlisted, i just did my mess cranking in the wardroom so i know how everything is over there. showers are communal until you make department head. regardless of rank though it's pretty easy to save money deployed just depends how much "fun" you want to have in ports. Some of our patrols are pretty boring and we only go to korea & okinawa, i dont like korea and okinawa is just a normal spot now so I don't spend much. Some patrols we hit up like PI, thailand, & hong kong within 2 months of eachtother. Funds a bit tight after that.

    shore is almost like a normal job. 9-10 hour workdays, go home at night unless you have duty.
     
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    your initial clothing allowance wont be adequate and you will find that you are always buying uniforms or adding ribbons to them. dress uniforms are quite pricey and from what i remember the navy has more dress uniforms than the other branches.

    read sections 415-420 of this link
    http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/37/usc_sup_01_37_10_7.html

    it explains the entitlements regarding clothing. basically officers are expected to pay out of pocket for most uniform upkeep.

    also i think you mentioned you will be paying like $500-$600/ month for loan payments. if any of those are federal student loans.....apply for a one-year deferrment of payments....that way you can quickly build up your rainy day fund, invest in the TSP, and get promoted to O-2
     
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    Its like that for enlisted too, although hopefully when we move to the sea-camo BDU's they are more durable than current coveralls & utilities and we won't need to be buying uniforms more often. I easily go through a half dozen pairs of coveralls in a 6 month patrol.
     
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    I'll have to consult with them on that, I know my Stafford loans are federal but i don't know if the Plus loans count as being "federal." But thanks a lot for letting me know that, getting a 1yr deferrment would be perfect for settig up that rainy day fund and getting a little bit of money invested.

    But, that being said, do you really think it possible to get a promotion to O-2 within 1 year?
     
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    I've never seen it, either every one of our ensigns is a shitbag or they don't do it :noes:
     
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    I'm sorry, I don't follow you. It seems like the promotions up to O-3 are rather time-based more than anything else, after that its time + merit.

    To be more blunt, are all ensigns pretty much hated and despised? I'm nto an idiot, that much you'd have to give me the benefit of the doubt on. I'm also not considering becoming officer to have a sudden power trip in being able to order people around and be an asshole. Rather I like the structured military lifestyle and I also like the discipline that exists (I've grown tired of college shens).
     
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    its usually 18 months after time of commission until O-2
    I think navy schools are a bit longer than army so count the time after OCS graduation, specialty school (branch, rating or whatever term the navy uses), misc schools, then your first tour on sea.....18 months go by pretty quickly


    you are also going to have to live with the fact that some people just dont like officers also a good majority like to joke around at your expense. have thick skin and a good sense of humor and you should be fine.

    also dont abuse your rank, most senior E-6s and above will pretty much laugh in your face if you try to captain's mast them

    be prepared to hear these same things over and over and over...once you think they have stopped someone else will come around with the brilliant advice of listening to your noncoms and having thick skin. its repeated because people quickly forget the truth in those statements
     
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    At what rank does an officer start actually gaining the respect of even NCOs?
     

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