A&P lessons learned v.almostgunneddowninthestreetbythecops

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  1. Jcolman

    Jcolman OT Supporter

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    I had an e-session scheduled yesterday with a lovely young couple. They asked for the photos to be shot at a renovated tobacco factory that had been turned into a mall with shops and a beautiful outdoor area with water features and lots of cool places to shoot. The session was to run two hours.

    I meet the couple just outside the mall and wanted to start with a few shots on the street first. As we are finishing these shots, I was approached by two of Durham NC's finest and told that unless I had permission, I couldn't take pictures on the street or in the public mall area. I felt bad because obtaining permission first should have been my responsibility and I blew it. So I told the couple that we'd go to another area I had scouted earlier and shoot there.

    I also told them that I would see about getting permission to shoot at the mall at a future date and that we'd reschedule their session. I'm not going to charge them any additional fees either.

    I spent about an hour getting these shots and I'm kind of glad that I'm going to reshoot their pics because I learned a few other things.

    1. Always tell the couple to wear outfits that aren't the same color. They did bring different clothes, as I had previously asked them to do, but since we aborted the shoot, we stuck with what they were wearing.

    2. I need to come up with some fresh ideas.

    3. I have to pay more attention to body and hand positions.

    Here's a few shots from the session. These have only had basic editing at this point. C&C is always appreciated.

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  2. Daq

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    I really like 14 & 19. Some good shots here.
     
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    4. I think I would like it better if they were hugging and his eyes were towards the camera more, same angle as her but opposite (maybe at camera?)
    13. maybe if their eyes were locked on to eachother and you could see the white
    17. he...went...to...JARED!
     
  4. ace3

    ace3 mouthify my wang.

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    calling it an "e-session" makes you sound like a 20-something female "wedding photojournalist" with little photography knowledge, but lots of made-up marketing 'ability'.

    just thought you should know. :fawk:

    pics look great, miss. :o
     
  5. hash browns

    hash browns lolcathlon champion OT Supporter

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    i generally like these, but your observation number 3 is right

    some photos feel like the moment has been missed due to body language, some angles are a bit awkward (13, 18)

    also keep in mind protruding objects or surfaces in the background (4)
     
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    The light on 12 is perfect.

    But why wouldn't they let you shoot in the mall? Isn't that considered public space?
     
  7. Jcolman

    Jcolman OT Supporter

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    :rofl: My new alter ego is a 24 year old named "missy"
     
  8. Jcolman

    Jcolman OT Supporter

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    thanks. I used a little fill light from a BD on a stand on that shot.

    The mall area is "public" in the sense that anyone can walk around there but it's "private" in that I need permission to conduct business there.
     
  9. Jcolman

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    Yeah, I sometimes work too quickly. I'll PS out his hand once I start the final edit.
     
  10. Girth

    Girth ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ OT Supporter

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    I really like 1, 4, 6, 7, 10, 11, 14, 16, and 17! :cool:
     
  11. Zz_3.14_zZ

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    1, 4, 5, 14, and 20 are :coold: The others are still pretty :bowdown: just like what you were saying about body/hand positions and shadows. But thats just IMO. They're all very nice, none the less.
     
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    on #3 the fringing on that pole is very distracting
    a lot of them need some tighter framing.
     
  13. Jcolman

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    Yes but since you can almost see down her blouse, nobody is looking at the pole. :x:



    seriously, it's an easy fix in PS. These are right out of the camera with very little processing. I'll do a complete edit after the shoot is finished.
     
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    So why cant you take pictures on a public street? I was under the impression you didnt need permission from anyone to photograph things that are in public view?
     
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    wow that girl sure has a nice ass.


    What...:hsugh:
     
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    I think you did a great job. Nice recovery!
     
  17. Jcolman

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    It's not so much the street as the buildings that they didn't want me to photograph. I could have argued with them but it's not cool to do that in front of a client. It's a moot point now because I tracked down the management and obtained permission to shoot there. All I need to do is reschedule the session.
     
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    Thanks man!
     
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    well done, nothing so satisfying as dismissing the rentacops with a piece of paper and a wave of the hand.
     
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    radfad88 The Batman-O-Lantern

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    My faves are 11, 12, 19 & 20! I think the reshoot will be really good and they're gonna be happy with the photos!
     
  21. Jcolman

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    :rofl: Along with a stiff command of; "my good man, would you please be so kind as to keep the riff-raff away from me and my clients".
     
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    Like he said, he was probably in the right legally, but it portrays a pretty bad image to get in a debate with someone while youre with a client. Its worth it just to walk away and chalk it up as a learning experience.
     
  23. Jcolman

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    No, this is technically private property and according to the law, if I'm asked not to photograph the building I have to honor that request. However the only thing I would debate is if the sidewalk on the side of the building is private or public property. If I'm on public property then I can shoot away.
     
  24. White Stormy

    White Stormy Take that, subspace!

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    "private" property doesn't mean anything if it's an area open to the public, like a mall, etc. if they were representatives of the mall, it might make sense for them to be the ones telling you that you can't take pictures there, but if they were just cops in the area that saw you.. sounds like they were just being assholes.

    every experience I've had with NC cops has lead me to believe that they're assholes, though.
     
  25. Jcolman

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    They weren't being assholes, they were just doing their job. And yes, "private property" means just that, even if it's open to the public. If you go into any mall and start shooting pictures, the mall cops can tell you to stop and they are in the right.

    They told me that it was private property and that I needed permission to shoot there. I found the properties website today and there is a section specifically for photographers that has all the contact information. It was my fault for not checking to see if I needed permission prior to showing up.
     

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