MMA Lesnar backlash brims with double standards - Dave Meltzer

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  1. Degenerate

    Degenerate Optimus Riem! OT Supporter

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    What if the Lesnar and Dan Henderson fights and postfights on Saturday night were transposed? If Lesnar had thrown that totally legal but devastating second blow on an already knocked-out foe – and remarked in his interview that he was doing it to shut Mir’s mouth – people would have spent the past week demanding that he be banned from the sport. And would Henderson have gotten nearly Lesnar’s heat if he had pulled the same postfight antics as Lesnar?

    You want to deny there’s a double standard here?

    As Georges St. Pierre continually took down Thiago Alves in their welterweight title fight, the crowd cheered every takedown. Even when St. Pierre wasn’t doing damage on the ground, he was being cheered wildly the entire fight.

    In Round 2, as Lesnar had Mir on the ground and was punching his face in less than 30 seconds before the fight was over, there was a loud chant aimed at referee Herb Dean of “stand them up.”

    This was a first in UFC history. Not the chant itself, but it being done when a fighter was pummeling the other and actually seconds away from winning. It was the first time a crowd hated a fighter so much that they were willing to pervert the entire framework of what the sport is supposed to be – that a fighter should do what he can to finish a fight – simply because they wanted that fighter to lose so badly.

    Of all the pro wrestlers who have come into the sport, only two – Lesnar and non-UFC fighter Bobby Lashley – have ever been disrespected by fellow fighters for being a pro wrestler. In Lesnar’s four UFC fights, only one opponent didn’t throw some kind of variation on “It’s not the WWE,” at him before the fight. In hyping the match, Mir implied Lesnar was strong but clueless when it came to fighting. Heath Herring and his camp had complained behind the scenes to company officials that it was a joke he was even put in the ring with a fake pro wrestler, and made public comments about how the punches were going to be real.

    The only opponent who didn’t disrespect Lesnar before the fight was Randy Couture. The only opponent Lesnar didn’t trash talk afterward was Couture. Coincidence?

    And Mir probably won’t be the last, given the fact that his potential next opponent, Shane Carwin, already has played the pro-wrestling card in starting the hype.

    “We have no scripts in this port, no predetermined earning amount and no predetermined outcomes,” Carwin said.

    Saturday night’s perfect storm was a moment that will be remembered in the sport’s history. It marked the first time that a UFC fighter was the single most talked-about sports personality in the world, as pundits who spent years hyping the likes of Barry Bonds and Randy Moss suddenly found their moral compass and badmouthed Lesnar.

    Lesnar never asked to become the biggest villain the sport has ever seen, but he’s also smart enough and experienced enough at it that he knows it’s not all a bad thing. While running down Bud Light – UFC’s leading sponsor – was not the best of judgment, he’s turned out to be one of the greatest things for building the popularity of the sport.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news;_y...Eo14?slug=dm-lesnar071709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

    Well said Dave.
     
  2. Degenerate

    Degenerate Optimus Riem! OT Supporter

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    darkjedi Muay Thai expert

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    1) Hendo had paid his dues to the sport and generally conducts himself with respect towards the fighters and fans. He still caught shit with some people and Dana criticizing him afterwards. But I think it was a slip-up and it was out of character for Hendo to do that.

    2)It wasn't about standing or being on the ground. The audience hated Brock because 90% of martial artists started training in order to avoid getting bullied and picked on by the bigger guy that had an even bigger asshole attitude. Brock represents that asshole and his attitude just completly puts him into that stereotype. Brock is the bully that is built and acts like a bully. people hate him no matter what he does/will do.
     
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    While I agree with alot of this, the whole Couture thing was a bit off. In the UFC 100 Countdown I remember Brock saying that he had no respect for Randy, and that he never has anything good to say about the people he's fighting. That might not be the trash talk or antics we've come to expect from Lesnar, but he's definitely not coming across as a respectful guy towards anyone.
     
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    Oh for fuck's sake make it stop
     
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    "Paid his dues". Are you fucking kidding me? I didn't know there was a special fee you had to pay in order to be able to pull off underhanded shit.
     
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    The guy has been in MMA longer then you have been alive.

    STFU.
     
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    Once again, you have no fucking clue what you are talking about. Never slammed someone that MY FAMILY HAS MET ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS AND LOVES DEARLY, just the concept of "paying dues". So, shut your worthless fucking hole, piss-ant.
     
  9. cswfighter

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    got played
     
  10. darkjedi

    darkjedi Muay Thai expert

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    "Paid his dues" meaning he is a pioneer of the sport and is generally well-respected by fans and fighters alike.

    I didn't mean that he can pull shit off like that, or it makes it right, just because he had paid his dues to the sport. I simply pointed out that fact to explain why the fans "let it slide". Not to mention the fact that Bisping talked a shitload of trash before the fight.

    Brock on the other hand is generally hated by the fans and is an overall disrespectful guy, so naturally any fault they can find will be amplified 100x.

    it's not a matter of double-standard. It's just that an asshole will be treated like an asshole and a nice guy will get a slap on the wrist.

    I wasn't justifying anyone's actions, simply explaining why the fans reacted the way they did.
     
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    Joe_Cool Never trust a woman or a government. Moderator

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