LGBT Lesbians vs. gays

Discussion in 'Lifestyle' started by karakth, Mar 5, 2004.

  1. karakth

    karakth Guest

    Ok are lesbians more socially acceptable than gay men because of the erotic appeal?

    I mean, I don't think women find it pleasureful to watch gay porn, but men sometimes find lesbian porn more attractive than heterosexual porn.
     
  2. SteveV

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    Straight men like women therefore seeing two women having sex is twice as hot. You would think that women would like to see two gay guys in action but women I know say no. It seems like it should be the same. I think it is safe to say that nearly the majority of people beleive a womans body to be sexier and more attractive than a mans body anyway.
     
  3. nebulous

    nebulous all it took was a blow to the head OT Supporter

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    I think this has to do with the way we think about the sex act. I think when men are watching pornography, they are mentally visualizing what they would be doing to the woman. There is some sort of latent erotic appeal for men to have sex with a woman that isn't willing to have sex with us. Rape fantasies are common in both men and women, but the difference is that when men have the fantasy they are usually raping the female, and when women have it they are being raped.

    When women visualize pornography they are thinking about what the man would do to them. For women, it seems to be necessary that the male be sexually attracted to them, where as for a male this is close to unimportant. A woman is usually aroused in some way by Men who are aroused by them. Any woman will tell you that if a Man shows no sexual interest in her, she will quickly begin to perceive him as unattractive. She may not know, however, what the real cause is. This could have something to do with why males still enjoy lesbian pornography, where as females do not enjoy gay porn.

    I don't however agree that lesbians are more socially acceptable in society. In erotica it is probably true, but once it leaves that boundary lesbians suffer an equal, if not greater degree of prejudice as there male counterparts.
     
  4. karakth

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    But isn't it more common to hear of a gay man being killed because he was gay, whilst not so common to hear that a lesbian was killed because she was a lesbian?

    And another thing...Most real lesbians (i.e. not in pornography) are physically unattractive. Could it be that most women become lesbian because they are unwanted by men, so turn to other women?
     
  5. dark cloud

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    "Any woman will tell you that if a Man shows no sexual interest in her, she will quickly begin to perceive him as unattractive."

    Whoa whoa hold on there. I wouldn't really say thats true. I'm no woman, but i've talked to plenty and seen this happen alot. Women are more attracted to men who act like "they show no sexual interest", or less sexual interest. Why? Because it creates tension and a challenge, which is what girls want.
     
  6. SteveV

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    I havent seen enough lesbian couples to say they are mostly unattractive. In my book even if you are committing gay acts in porn, that to me means you got a gay streak in you. You are not excused just because it is a porn movie.
     
  7. nebulous

    nebulous all it took was a blow to the head OT Supporter

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    You are just putting me in my place today :rofl:

    Yeah your right that is also true. I didn't really consider that aspect totally. Women dont like desperate men any more then men like desperate females (well okay sometimes we like desperate females) so sometimes a little stand-offishness can be attactive. But I think that the women just think that the man hasn't noticed them yet, and they are trying to make him notice them. However, If the woman blatantly hit on the man and he still is uninterested, I think she will quickly lose interest. I dunno.
     
  8. dark cloud

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    Haha, my bad man, didn't mean to single you out. :big grin:

    I think alot of it depends on the girl and if she's in marriage or fun mode, heh.
     
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    It's more common to hear of a man being killed than a woman, so I would say people who would commit a hate crime like that would probably feel better about killing a man over a woman. I'm trying to say that it's possible that men are simply preferred victims over females, and that the murderer could have equal hate towards both lesbians and gays. Nobody can say for sure though :dunno:
     
  10. nebulous

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    Gay men also I think are alot more visable. I live In TX. and I see gay men together all the time. I can't honestly think that I ever remember seeing two women together that looked like they were displaying anything that would make me think that they were together. I know they must be out there... but I never know who they are.
     
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    Nemesis_152 I'm a delicate desert flower from Arizona.

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    scientific sampling?
     
  12. BIZKIN

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    I think in large part it has to do with sexual identity and security. a lot of males, are insecure in who they are, for what ever reason. And hence forth do not always have a strong sense of personal identity let alone the stereo type that they have to be some stud in the bed room, leading to a weaker sexual identity then most women. As for the a sense of sexual security it plays to the point of what is viewed as normal sexual acts. Males view 2 females as a dream come true, and since the social fabric is very male driven, this illusion is capitalized upon by the porn industry, and other who would make a buck off something that is easy to exploit. U don’t see the porn industry raking in the cash with gay porn.

    Another argument that could be taken is that males do not explore their bodies enough to find what is pleasurable to them, and view the anus and a taboo point. Also if u enjoy anal play u are gay, and this is a typical perspective.

    I view it as a well exploited fantasy of most males. Used by those who are looking for social reforms, and others who are looking to line their pockets. Because really what chance do u think most males have to get into bed with two lesbians.

    Personally I don’t care what a person does in their own home, as long as they have a job, and don’t leach off the economy, don’t run around creating problems. Who cares who they sleep with, I know I don’t. The way I think about it, its u know people are having sex. But what does it matter what they do, how they do it, or when they do it. Does not effect u or your life. So why care. And as long as a gay leaves me alone, I personally don’t have a problem with them.
     
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  14. Loser

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    The lesbian question is settled quite thoroughly and quickly if you think about this: most females not only use sexual toys to please each other, but something that mimics a male anatomy, such as a strap on dildo. In my understanding, the only reason women become lesbian is quite simple: most men are dicks and understand nothing about pleasing the woman. Instead the woman, sometimes attractive sometimes not, finds another woman, who may or may not be attractive, but is emotionally stimulating and instead has unnatural sex with her instead of dealing with the egocentric and incredibly dickish man. So this is my point: men...understand what you must do to the woman: turn her on and work it, otherwise just figure that there will be a heck of a lot more lesbians in the future than there are now.
     
  15. minds_eye

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    i think women have beautifu forms and the truth is that women seem like more sexua persons and that makes it more socially accepted than to men going at it.l
     
  16. Spawn17

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    This is what I've seen. Men like lesbians (sexually) but for the most part dislike gays, while women like gays (as friends) but think lesbians are gross.

    Personally, I don't care if you're gay, lesbian, bi, whatever.
     
  17. arro

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    Whoa, here's a runaway thread if I ever saw one.

    men watch two women because watching two men, for a straight man, means watching naked men. It doesn't work., But two women is just one more of what they want. Without another male to distract. Add to that the more emotionally seductive nature of a woman (as they are more scanario based and men more instant gratification in terms of fantasy), and you see why a man can generally find appeal in watching two women. It teases them, and yet, there's no men present to distract. Since men are by and large competitive, there's always a small issue with that as well.

    Two women appear relatively harmless, while working to tease a man.

    However, this is not really on topic with this forum section. So I'm moving it. Cuz I can :big grin:
     
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    I would agree that this is an accurate assessment. :o
     
  19. Notorious R.I.E.

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    I don't think of it as i "became" a lesbian. I also don't think most men are dicks.
    Granted while some may be there are also quite a few women that way as well.

    I've never dated a guy at all so I can't vouch for them being able to please a woman or not, but that's not even a factor for me. It doesn't matter if they can please me or not, i am just not attracted to them sexually. no desire is there at all to even try it.

    so to say that women only become lesbians because they cant find a nice man who can please them the right way is a little inacurate in my mind. :)



    also just a side note, most of the lesbians i know are very very attractive. I don't think i know very many unattractive lesbians. (and of course attractive/unattractive is a very relative subject) Being unattractive doesn't make one a lesbian by default. :)
     

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