lat training v. noob gains

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  1. KingGargantuan

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    no matter how long i take off working out, my lats are never sore when i start back up again.

    I never feel the pump, they never get sore, and i feel they're not growing like they could be.

    ib50rep pullup sets.

    i've tried those and those don't seem to work. is there something i can do that is similar to deadlift/squat/bench for the lats?

    meaning - when you deadlift, squat, or bench, you KNOW when the rep is completed because you're at "lock out". You're standing as tall as you can go or your shoulders and arms are as far as they can go.

    With lat pulls and pulldowns and pullups, at what point is it supposed to be "as far as you can go" for your lats?

    I'm ok with t-bar (though the chest supported one kills my ribs :eek4:), one arm dumbell raises, wide bent rows, seated rows, stuff like that.

    those spark some soreness and swelling most times. It's the pulldowns and pullups I have trouble feeling.

    wtfz
     
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    Merit83 Your mama was a snowblower!

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    I'm no expert but I've heard many people here state that soreness is not indicative of a good workout.

    I recommend doing lat pulldowns, lean back a little bit and pull the bar to the top of your chest while contracting your lats. Then back up just before lockout and repeat the rep.

    Then I will do weighted wide grip pullups. On these I start at lockout, pull myself up as far as I can go up. Then on the way back down I stop before lockout and repeat the rep.
     
  3. shastaisforwinners

    shastaisforwinners OT Supporter

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    My lats almost never get sore, but they are one of my best developed parts. Everyone will tell you that certain body parts on them never get sore, no matter how much they work them out. It's really not uncommon. The moral of the story here is don't worry about soreness or "pump". If you are adding weight to the bar and/or growing, you are progressing.
     
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    Sore =! good

    It's not necessarily bad either, but soreness is not indicative of a good workout.
     
  5. KingGargantuan

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    yea i understand that part after you've been working out for awhile. I just expect that if I've been out of the gym for a long time, everythings going to be sore when i start back up again. The lats dont do that.

    i just dont seem to get that fatigued feeling in them. Sure I can't do the pulldowns for 11ty sets but i dont necessarily feel that it's the lats getting fatigued that's causing it.

    i'll keep an eye on the weight i'm doing and make sure it's going up.
     
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    Phineas Q Stork Active Member

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    Drop the lat pulldowns then. I just do those when I'm feeling lazy
     
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    i start with deadlifts then go to pulldowns/pullups/rows etc, not always in that order.

    i suck at pullups right now so definatly dont feel like lats are getting a good workout when i cant get enough pullups in. so i do pulldowns instead.
     
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    barbell rows do it for me occasionally, i can really feel it :noes:
     
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    Yates rows.
     
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    My problem is I have a big shoulders, back, and chest - makes my lats look almost non-existant.
     
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    darkostoj NEEEERRRRDDDDSSSS

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    When are people going to understand that weighted pullups are better than lat pulldowns
     
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    what about us that can't yet do consistant pullups with our own body weight :o
     
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    darkostoj NEEEERRRRDDDDSSSS

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    When I first started doing them I could only get about 2-3 up @ 195lbs. Now about 4-5 months later I can get ~10 out @210lbs with a 45lb plate around my waist. Just do them
     
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    that is about the only way I get my lats to just ache the next day. Damn good exercise
     
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    ok so explain how you went about doing your lat workouts when you first started.

    did you use the weight assisted pullup machine?
    did you do 2-3 pullups then 11ty negatives?
    or just do 2-3,2,1,1,1,1,1,1 til you passed out?

    pullups first on back day? did you add any pulldowns after your pullups? any other back work after pullups?

    esssplain please
     
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    They're the only thing I've found that really hits my lats to my satisfaction.
     
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    Weight assisted pullup machine is just as useless as the lat pulldown because you aren't using your core muscles to stabilize your body when you are lifting yourself up. I stopped doing pulldowns completely. I always do the pullups at the beginning of a workout and just did 5 sets of how many I could do, then once I got up to about 8 reps with my own body weight I started to add weight ( usually a dumbell between my ankles). I would also do 4-5 sets of close neutral grip pullups right after the normal overhand pullups. Then I would do all the other goodie back exercises like heavy BB rows, deadlifts, etc.
     
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    ttiwwop yates rows
     
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    Yates Row
    [​IMG]Dorian Yates famously used a modified bent-over row with great success. The differences from the standard variety are: standing more upright (torso at about 70°), use of an underhand grip (so as to allow more bicep involvement) and pulling the bar to the navel.
     
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    ah. i already do those using a wide grip.
     
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    Jump up and do slow negatives. They suck, but it'll get your strength up.
     
  22. KingGargantuan

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    what kind of grip width for the starting set of pullups?

    shoulder width, just beyond shoulder width, wide, ultra wide? palms facing away too, right?
     
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    i do high volume for my back.....try rack chins too
     
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    Do you have problems with your shoulder when you are doing pullups?
     
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    Ceaze https://hearthis.at/DoYouEvenUplift Moderator

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    i haven't been doing pullups....but yeah it hurts in the lockout position at the bottom
     
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