Knee pain v.MRI results

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  1. HorseDick

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    A little background info...6 months ago I woke up one morning and could not walk. When I went to bed the night before I felt OK, and when I woke up in the morning the pain was unbearable. This went on for a few days until I was able to walk, but long story short, for the past 6 months my patella clicks when I walk or flex/extend the knee in any way, and I get a very sharp pain on the outside of my knee in a full flexion position. Icing and ibuprofen helps a lot, but it always comes back.

    Another doctor did have me get in a deep squat / catcher's position several times when I had a physical done a few days before this happened, so I'm thinking this may have irritated something.

    Went to an orthopedic surgeon a few times, got X-rays and an MRI done, and all the menisci / ligaments / etc look good. The MRI report reads that I have chondromalacia patella but that everything else is fine. My doctor says I have IT band syndrome and won't need surgery, and mentioned nothing regarding my kneecap.

    I'm not sure what to think about this since his initial diagnosis was that my medial meniscus was torn, even though the pain is on the outside (lateral side) of the knee. Being that it's been 6 months and improvements have been minimal, I think I'm going to get a second opinion from a doctor that specializes in sports medicine.

    I only feel pain when in a FULL flexion position (like if I pull my foot all the way inward to put my socks on in the morning, or a deep squatting position, or if I pull my leg back to do a quad stretch), and overall the condition does not stop me from doing anything. I don't feel pain when doing front squats with good form, I'm fine biking, walking, going up/down stairs, etc.

    Has anyone had any experience with chondromalacia or ITB syndrome? What type of movements are recommended as far as therapy? I got a script for physical therapy so I'll be doing that, but in the meantime if anyone has any recommendations for therapy exercises and whatnot that'd be great.
     
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    Is your foot calf/swollen? I had something similar happen to me about a year ago, had an MRI, said nothing was torn.

    Ended up being a Baker Cyst in my knee, which you can get from inflammation/hurting your knee. It just goes away on it's own, but hurts like a motherfucker I could barely walk for a few weeks.

    Got a shot of steroids under the knee cap and it slowly went away.
     
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    MRI says no baker cyst.
     
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    gsxtasyd Lift Big........Eat Big........Sleep Big........GE

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    ART dude I had a similar issue with myjnee. Clicking pain and flexion. Art and it was gone.
     
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    I'll have to look into that, thanks for the suggestion.
     
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    Found a good place about 20 miles south of me that does a lot of sports therapy / ART. Going to give them a call tomorrow, thanks again ecstacy boy.
     
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    details on ART my man?
     
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    Definitely ART. In the meantime, I'd do this:

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    I've had really bad IT band pain in my left knee recently, and doing this every morning after I wake up & walk my dog is making a huge difference.
     
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    so its NOT similar to what a chiropractor does?
     
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    Man that shit looks painful. My dog is also going to be pissed and probably try to take the ball from me :rofl: definitely trying that when I get home though, thanks.
     
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    Dude my dog spends the whole time trying to get the ball :rofl: I got another tennis ball just to distract her. And yeah it's painful...but feels great afterwards. Seriously worth it, takes 10 mins max.
     
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    :werd: thanks again bruh.
     
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    I did all the stuff in that video after I rode my bike home from the gym and foam rolled my quads / hams / glutes / calves / IT band area. Shit's fucking painful, I'm pretty sore right now but it feels good. Icing my knee area right now + 800mg ibuprofen. Going to keep at this for a couple weeks and see where it gets me.
     
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    Do you guys ever do push-ups/sit-ups at home and for some reason your dog thinks you're playing and keeps running underneath you? Shit happens to me all the time.
     
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    Yes my dog thinks it's play time any time I'm doing any physical activity. When I was using the tennis ball earlier she started looking at me weird then started biting my fucking feet, that cunt.
     
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    ITB stretches. Quad VMO strengthening. RICE. Good footwear. Maybe foot orthotics. Sounds pretty nasty,, See the physical therapist and goodluck!
     
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    gsxtasyd Lift Big........Eat Big........Sleep Big........GE

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    Selkow recommends no more than 8 minutes icing 3X a day or its counterproductive FYI. dont know the reason but he's pretty knowledgable. anyway no prob and good luck. keep us posted.
     
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    Thanks I'll keep that in mind.
     
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    Update:

    Went to a doctor that specializes in ART today. He stuck a bunch of needles in my cock

    wait wat

    He did acupuncture around my knee and some soft tissue work. Told me to keep it light on the foam rolling and gave me some exercises to do to help get my VMO firing better, and ice the knee twice a day. Going back to him Monday for another session.

    Guy seemed really cool, he has a bunch of autographed jerseys and baseballs from players on the Florida Marlins and St Louis Cardinals that he works on, so that was pretty reassuring.
     
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    The first session with that dude was great, my knee wasn't clicking for like 3 days afterwards...the following 2 sessions did absolutely nothing though. I've since received a cortisone shot (3 days ago) and my knee feels SOO much better thus far. We'll see how it goes in the coming weeks.

    I'm not sure how I feel about the ART thing overall. I liked the acupuncture and soft tissue work he did, but the other crap with the weird electronic devices they used seemed more like a crock of shit.
     
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    when I had grade II tear (full tear basically) of my PCL, acupuncture did help a lot more than anything else. even after surgery, the therapist/docs were both surprised how quickly I was healing which was probably due to acupuncture and my super healing genetics.
     
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    My cat gets all excited and runs under me / by me or just generally plops her fat ass in the way, so I almost kick her sometimes.

    To the original post, I had a similar issue 6 years ago where when I was in the position you describe with my knees bent, it was only my left leg. But in that position, I would feel a pain on the outer side of my knee and then the leg would lock and I wouldn't be able to straighten the leg. Eventually something "popped" and I could straighten my leg again. I had X-Rays and MRIs and no one could find anything.

    My leg locked up really bad once to the point where the "pop" never happened, so I went to the hospital and the doctors took x-rays and kept coming back to me saying nothing was wrong. Multiple doctors in the room. My leg was still locked and so one doctor just started pulling at it. I started yelling, because the pain was intense, even with the painkillers. Doctor gets the pop and the leg is straight. Another meeting with his doctor friends and he comes to tell me that for some reason, the outer bone is slipping from underneath my kneecap and that they were going to send me to a sports injury specialist.

    The specialist feels around my leg and moves it and does another MRI. The specialist tells me that a piece of cartiledge has mysteriously gone missing from my kneecap. Additionally, there was barely enough muscle around the knee joint to keep the joint together.

    I was on the low-carb diet at the time, so I went off and started eating "normally". I went to physiotherapy for 6 months where I did light biking, squats, and the physiotherapist used some electric muscle stimulator machine on the weak muscle near my hip flexor. From then on, I've been doing biking three times a week, walking, lots of squats, and lots of lunges. The pain finally stopped around last September.

    So the exercises you're doing sound helpful for the knee, but seeing the specialist may determine the actual cause of your pain.
     
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