MMA Ken Shamrock vs Saku = at 205 lbs

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  1. brolli

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    What do you guys think of this? It will be a lot more fair for saku, but Ken still would have a lot of size on him...

    In terms of subs Saku has the edge, but striking-wise I think I would have to go with Ken.
     
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    Ken has the chin too, but hasn't fought much in the past several years. he shows signs of aging more than Saku, and Saku's still is like 5-6 years younger, isn't he?
     
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    I think Shamrock would win at any weight class though I haven't seen him do much in his recent fights. Hopefully he will train well for this upcoming one.
     
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    If this was even five years ago I would give it to Ken, but he hasn't been impressing me lately.
     
  5. Rommel

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    and sakuraba has?

    at least for ken he hasn't been brutally ko'd in his last few fights.
     
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    As much as I hate to say it, I have to agree. His last impressive win was in 2001 over Rampage imho.

    Many factors are involved... the fact he's a natural 185 lb'er, age, injury, etc.

    I think now that he's taken his training a little more seriously we'll see some of the old Saku again. I've heard he actually had to cut weight for this fight. I think Saku is going to take this fight.
     
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    if shamrock has the stamina to go the whole 3 rounds...he probably would win a decision....just not getting subbed by sakuraba and neutralizing him...getting a few minor shots in here and there...i just think he'll gas...and sakuraba will sub him or possibly even finish him(silva stomps) :x:
     
  8. brolli

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    I really can't imagine either of them subbing each other. Saku is too technical, and Ken is just too big.

    If Saku KO's Ken however, that would be something.
     
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    Saku has shown some potential in his hands before... He dropped Wanderlei once (to a knee) and stunned Anthony Macias pretty bad, had he been more agressive that would have been a TKO. I dont think his training with Chute Boxe is going to turn him into mini-wand anytime soon, but hopefully it will have refined some of his natural skills.

    And I think that he has a decent chance of subbing Ken. Saku does well against fighters who play the ground game with him. He has most trouble with strikers and GnP types, all his losses are to T/KO, and Ken just isn't nearly as agressive as the other guys to whom he has lost.

    Ken is a submission guy himself, he'll be more than happy to roll on the ground, and I have a feeling he's going to get caught.
     
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    battle of the past-their-primes :noes:

    it'll prolly be a good fight tho.
     
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    i hate watching him get pounded
     
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    yea, it makes me sad. sakuraba is the reason why i started watching mma really.
     
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    the funny thing is that shamrock has a very pancrase style of grappling himself, his leglocks have to be as good if not better than saku's.

    I think this could be a very even match or shamrock just does a baroni
     
  14. brolli

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    Ken's leglocks are alright... but I don't think he is great at them. And he isn't great at wrestling or striking either. I mean who among the people he submitted was a stand-out grappler?
     
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    how many stand out grapplers get submitted?
     
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    Renzo, Royler, Newton

    All of which were better than Shamrock when Saku submitted them.
     
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    yeah exactly
     
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    touche

    but renzo, royler and newton have no striking and no wrestling.

    I don't think shamrock will be interested in a straight grappling match with saku, he is more of a wrestler/ sambo stylist. He has a style of grappling that many japanese have.
     
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    I agree completely that Shamrocks striking is better than the 3 I mentioned. I do think with his ground skills though if the fight does go the the canvas, he'll be more likely to play that game instead of trying to get back up. 22 of his 26 wins have been by submission.

    However the fight goes, I think this is a perfect matchup and has the potential to be a great fight.
     
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    against tito his knees were in tatters and he still exploded back to his feet several times.

    Shamrock is a leglocker from the bottom, he will not play the game in the way that most people think that the game is played. He will attempt a leglock and then probably get back to his feet.

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