FRK Just saw Secretary

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  1. JohnJohnJohnson

    JohnJohnJohnson Effetely Sipping My Latte OT Supporter

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    It's a great movie but I thought it was annoying that they linked the sadomasochistic dynamic to "always having suffered our whole lives long." I think you can be into S & M or w/e without having any severe psychological problems, and it's annoying to see yet another portrayal of less common sexual practices as being indicative of mental trauma.
     
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    Phantom Empress mmmmmm tasty!!!

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    you're not the first to mention that and i'm reasonably sure you won't be the last. I agree, the correlation between psychological trauma and 'deviant' or otherwise out of the ordinary sexual practices is just that: a lame and weak correlation. I do however like that it shows that SM could be for those 2 characters a healthy, theraputic release and activity as opposed to their previously self destructive ways. I thought it was poigniant and touching and a POSITIVE light to show true love in an out of the norm, BDSM or other, setting.
    In fact I believe the director/writer made a comment about it in one of the dvd extras saying he didn't want to make that link as a negative, but more a positive way to harness those emotions and as a coming of age/comming into your own adult growth to realize your true emotive expression...
     
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    JohnJohnJohnson Effetely Sipping My Latte OT Supporter

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    I didn't miss the positive effects of their conduct with each other, but that does not outweigh the fact that the couple had negatives to begin with that led to their sexual deviance. If I had to say, I'd rather the film have been made than not. Still, that part of it really bothers me because I feel like it will support Joe and Jane Shmoe's prejudices.
     
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    That was just ONE case of BDSM not ALL......
     
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    TigreTek omega member OT Supporter

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    of course, the concern is how that one case is portrayed and what it does to further certain stereotypes.
     
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    just like any other stereotype. If people are ignorant they will think that movie is really how things are....

    If people don't get out explore, read up or whatever on certain things they they will always think "OMG, but I saw on this one movie" or "OMG MTV this" or "OMG I saw on Oprah" :mamoru:
     
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    Phantom Empress mmmmmm tasty!!!

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    whatyou just said summed up the mentalities of all of the ladies in my office :rofl:


    i think they'd keel over and DIE if they knew what i was into.
     
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    I seriously hate ppl with such weak closed minded views(not u GND the type of sheep ur talking about). I agree with the OP that its annoying as shit that they just automatically make the "if this then that" kind of logic jump correlation != causation good God !!!!! But anyway on to happy thoughts I like that movie alot, and have a bit of a secretary fetish bc of it, now if I just had an office :o
     
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    Thats always been my major complaint about the movie and I usually feel quite alone with that opinion here. Some of it is hot but I think it can give the impression that people into s&m are damaged goods that will pee on your floor. I suspect on the whole it reenforces more negative stereotypes than it breaks down for vanilla folk who see the movie.

    Now can you make a movie that isn't porn centered around normal well adjusted people having kinky sex? I may be wanting the impossible here. Their damaged personalities were what the movie focused on so certainly not in this sense.
     
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    JohnJohnJohnson Effetely Sipping My Latte OT Supporter

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    That would be a truly awesome movie. The reason it wouldn't happen is because right now, freaky shit is considered unusual ... so if a movie includes teh freaky, the film maker will want some kind of literary plot-based reason for WHY there is the freaky. It can't just be there. Even vanilla sex in movies ... if there's any sex, there needs to be some kind of very fitting explanation for it or the movie gets dubbed gratuitous. So if we can't even get plain sexuality into cinema without making it artsified I definitely don't see the freaky appearing on screen untouched.
     
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    Acesn8s The Deadman's Hand

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    Those us into BDSM have Secretary to bitch about, like the Furries have that episode of CSI. :mamoru:
     
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    Phantom Empress mmmmmm tasty!!!

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    :rofl: :rofl: I LOVE the furry episode. One of my Furry buddies get soooooo pissed everytime it comes on. But do you see people complain about the 3 Lady Heather episodes where people fucking DIE? Lady heather herself is an excellet example of an intelligent and well adjusted woman that just happens to be a Dominatrix, but the people that surround the scene are always portrayed as some complete fuck ups.

    I don't ever think the BDSM scene will ever shed the stigma because sadly, teh bad people inthe scene always make more a splash than the rest of us responsible players that just fly under the radar.
     
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    Acesn8s The Deadman's Hand

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    I really thought Grisham was going to start a relationship with Lady Heather. She honestly struck me as one of the few characters that was his equal. :cool:
     
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    Phantom Empress mmmmmm tasty!!!

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    i KNOW me too. I was surprise dand yet not by the whole grisham/sarah thing going this season now... In my heart i was praying that Gris would be as kinky as Lady heather since they played mentally onthe same field. She's just as intelligent/articulate/refined? as he is and it made for a neat dynamic, and it seemed she gave him a weird insight to her emotions and thoughts.

    :sigh:
     
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    Lech Rhymes with fetch.

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    All professional dominatrices are whores. :drool:
     
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    inaccuracy aside, it was a hot movie and i do believe i'll be showing it to my fiance :)

    i've been able to suppress wood once while watching and did the whole analyze and explicate deal, but found it's just more fun to watch it without the incessant analysis (curse you english degree)
     

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