MIL Just got off the phone with a recruiter

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  1. adelacruz

    adelacruz New Member

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    Army recruiter. Hes trying to convince me that an officer postion in the army is safer and has more advancement prospects than the Air Force. Also that the Air Force is covering unconventional roles in Iraq that are more dangerous than regular infantry. Is this true?
     
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    9yrs in the Army and I have yet to see combat
     
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    Depends on what the Officer is doing. An Army Captain working in Finance at a CONUS base would be much safer than an Air Force Captain flying A-10's in Iraq. But in general, I think the recruiter is lying out his ass on this one.

    The Air Force is being forced outside their comfort zone in Iraq. They are having to pull convoy security, and other duties that are typically done by soldiers. Because they don't have the same depth of training and experience that a soldier would in these duties, they tend to be more dangerous for Air Force types.

    Tell the recruiter that you react better to honest, no-bullshit, facts than you do to sales hype.
     
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    hes coming over on wednesday, I straight out told him the army isnt at the top of my list. Though its possible to join the reserves, get an ROTC schlarship and come out as an officer, while getting TA from reserves, ROTC tuition assistance and monthly allowance, plus reserve pay all at the same time. Im trying to see if its possible for anything else.

    BTW my career of interest is intelligence. He told me i can go in as an intelligence specialist in the reserve, do ROTC then come out as an intel officer depending on grades and ASVAB
     
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    You cant be intel in the reserve, according to my old army recruiter before I switched to marines.
     
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    Its not intel officer its like a basic intel analyst.

    This is from the army reserve site, they are possible careers:

    Combat Support: Signal, Chemical, Military Police, Engineer, Military Intelligence, Psychological Operations, Medium Helicopter Support
     
  7. Bounty15

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    I would say the point about advancement in the Army is true. A lot of officers are getting out instead of staying in for 20+ years because of the current demands on them. Also, they are looking for as much manpower as possible because of those demands. In turn, the promotion rate has been increased to fill vacancies(and likely will remain this way for the near future). The airforce on the other hand is downsizing a bit, or at least making it harder to stick around.

    As far as more dangerous roles, you will more likely be directly involved in the war in the Army, however, they are more experienced and better equipped to deal with the ground war, whereas(I would assume) the airforce doesn't have as much experience or capability of dealing with the ground war. Thus, you could argue that you would be safer working with more experienced and trained people in the Army.
     
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    Yes, its true - mostly

    Safer, probably not. Advancement, yes - most generals are pilots. if you're not a pilot you're pretty much SOL. and yes, the AF is covering unconventional roles in Iraq that are very dangerous, such as security, convoy duty, etc.
     
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    I personally beleive that promotions in the Army in general...officers, enlisted, and warrant are all easier to recieve than the other branches. Just based on sheer size of the army. but just my opinion
     
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    now how true is this for officers? Thats my main concern, I cant be a pilot due to Eye sight but my number 1 right now is the navy, then AF, then Army, CG, USMC, the last two i wouldnt even consider. But Id possibly be interested in the CIA so according to recruiters i need a top secret military clearance.
     
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    Its not speculation, its fact. AF promotes slowest. :wtc:
     
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    ManinCamo I wear big boy pants.

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    AF
    2 years as a 2nd LT; promote to
    2 years as a 1st LT; promote to
    4-6 as a captain; promote to
    4-? years as Major

    army is 18m to first, 18 more to captain. so 3 years instead of 4.
     
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    If im not mistaken its like that in the navy too? can anyone confirm.
     
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    Good luck getting into the AF, by safer he may mean job security :mamoru:
     
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    i know quite a few 30 year old LTC aviators. So i'd almost guarentee the army promotes the fastest. But then again i guess it depends on your branch also. I've heard infantry, armor, and quartermaster promote real fast.
     
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    LTC @ age 30 in unpossible in the AF.

    If you commissioned at 22/23, which is the early side, you're still a captain at 30
     
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    all I will tell you is its about 1000 times easier to go army the AF (acceptance not training), belive me took me about a year to get everything together, get it to a board that was no cancelled declined by board, then accepted, then physical then get a class date and my class date is about 4-6 months earlier then anybody else who was selected with me....i got really lucky.
     
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    O yeah just FYI last non rated (no pilot, navigator, ABM) officer board for the AF inclided 296 applicants 63 selects (27 were active duty). for 21% selection rate. And they project to only take about 500 officers in a year through OTS.
     
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    I guess the air force is out of the question, the thing that scares about the army is that as i understand it the chances of actually going into combat are much more likely thats why my first choice has been the navy, and i was looking at the air force till i found all this out, thanks guys for the hellp.
     
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    smokie700 right near da beach, Boiiiii

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    Why go military at all of combat scares you? the first job of the military is to fight wars. If your not willing to put in the work then don't expect the benefits.
     
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    Because you can help a war in other ways than shooting.
     
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    smokie700 right near da beach, Boiiiii

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    He never said anything about shooting. He said combat and guess what ladies, all branches have their taste of combat. So I'll say it again if combat scares you then you may want to look for other options besides military.
     
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    I was Air Force before I joined the Army. I like the Army much more. Your mileage may vary.
     
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    Then what do you define as combat? I mean there are other ways to help a war effort, thats why I want to do intelligence, get people prepared for what other countries are capable of. Im not s cared of shooting, I don't like war. When I said "the thing that scares me about the military", that was a little too extreme, i man thats just something you have to deal with. Also who else will pay all your tuition, and books, and give you a monthly allowance on top?
     

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