MMA Judo groundwork

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  1. konrad109

    konrad109 New Member

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    I found a Judo school near me that would be about half the price of the cheapest BJJ gym. The throws look cool as hell but wanna learn ground fighting as well. How is Judo on the ground?
     
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    chechen Brazilian Jiu Jitsu OT Supporter

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    its about as good as bjj classes will teach you to be standing up.

    (not that great)
     
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    it depends on the school, if you go to a decent school you will learn arm bars, triangles and kimoras. They focus more on position then submission though.
     
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    i also just recently started at a judo gym too. from my experience, judo here is about 50% throws and 50% groundwork, where a good throw in judo is just as qualified as any submission in bjj.

    there isn't much of a difference in terms of groundfighting. it is pretty much like bjj if you were to take it at a bjj gym. you can do chokes and armlocks, sweeps and escapes, flying submissions, etc. however, leglocks, neck cranks, or any form of bodylocks are not allowed for safety reasons. besides that, expect it to be like bjj rolling but with limited submission options.
     
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    I think you are going to get a lot of responses disagreeing with you.
     
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    yeah but bjj crew is super bias. They essentially the same thing but the focus is different. BJJ is all about the ground judo is all about the throws and control.
     
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    chechen Brazilian Jiu Jitsu OT Supporter

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    kimora?
     
  8. chechen

    chechen Brazilian Jiu Jitsu OT Supporter

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    the groundwork in bjj is much much more extensive due to the rules you find in a bjj competition. judo doesnt reward groundwork enough for most judo guys to specialize in it..

    bjj doesnt reward takedowns enough for most bjj guys to excel in them.


    you see much more deep and complicated setups for takedowns in judo

    you see much more deep and complicated groundwork in bjj.

    very simple
     
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    bingo
     
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    I wish to learn how to take down soi can work my ground game. not very often do i start fights on my knees. haha
     
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    Saying this as a guy who trains in bjj and judo I am going to say Judo is fan-fucking-tastic. If your after self defense, I recommend Judo > BJJ. In terms of roughness and getting fit Judo>BJJ. In terms of having fun when sparring BJJ>Judo

    As for groundwork, it really depends where you train, most competition based schools are about 80% standing 20% ground. Having said that, those percentages vary depending on the school.
     
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    yeah it does vary greatly. I trained under jack williams for a long time and he's old school candy cane belt. He trained rhody ferguson. He beleived in 50/50 split but he was all about the technique not the sports application. When I started training in bjj and I told them I did judo for a year they were like ok he is alright on the ground but they were suprised I knew alot of the stuff I knew.

    He even taught us leg locks but he never taught us how to set them up or trained them as much as arm bars triangles and arm entanglements. He even taught us throws that werent allowed in judo competition like the scissor body take down and the scissor leg take down.

    Another school right by my house teaches kosen judo. The guy is real good and they have bad ass ippon seionages and uchi matas everything else with them is meh but every one in that gym that is seasoned like a brown belt or black belt is at the very least purple belt level on the ground.
     
  13. HandgunFantasy

    HandgunFantasy My purity you stole.

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    i did judo for years and its not even close to BJJ
     
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    judo/wrestling for takedowns bjj for grappling
     
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    I trained at a BJJ/Judo gym under 2 instructors.. 96% BJJ.
    I got to roll with Judo black belts daily and I would say that a Judo Blackbelt is the equivalent to a BJJ blue belt. Not really... because the blue belt will have more skill but whatever.. Almost a blue-belt.
     

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