Java is pretty cool and everything...

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  1. morgue

    morgue New Member

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    but if you can't make the executable and it doesn't come as default on operating systems, they'll never lead the market imho.

    What do you think?
     
  2. Coottie

    Coottie BOOMER......SOONER OT Supporter

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    does it matter if "they lead the market"? no

    People will use whatever language they are comfortable with and will fulfill their needs. It's not a contest.
     
  3. Tk

    Tk Well-Known Member

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    a little slow :dunno:
     
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    Tk Well-Known Member

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    ill stick with .net
     
  5. morgue

    morgue New Member

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    pretty cool also but not available to every operating system ftl

    also it's "expensive" if you go legal
     
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    Free is expensive?
     
  8. Peyomp

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    You have to download .NET to run a .NET application which takes longer than installing Java.

    As to leading the market... Java is... more than 10 years old. Its place in the market is established and well determined. Nobody likes it for shrink wrap applications. Corporations like it because it allows so-so programmers to cooperate on large, complex pieces of software for the enterprise. Java is nothing to get excited about... but its not going away, either.
     
  9. morgue

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    But imo .net is way better than java
     
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    Tk Well-Known Member

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    yes, way, WAY better, imo too
     
  11. danison

    danison The Contrarian

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    .NET is better for some things than java. But if you are talking about enterprise server applications .NET fails. Microsoft had a good idea in copying a lot of aspects of java but they failed to really comprehend a lot of the problems the j2EE/JEE solve.

    That being said, many of the uses cases that J2EE was originally based on were flawed, but it is still vastly more mature than .NET in this area. But then again sun had a big head start.

    I am fairly indifferent, I have worked with java for quite a long time, and then worked with .NET. They both have their advantages, they both have their disadvantages. Really depends on the problem you are trying to solve.
     
  12. Peyomp

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    Whereas I can't even use .NET because I don't run Microsoft software.
     
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    Mono FTW.
     
  14. Joe_Cool

    Joe_Cool Never trust a woman or a government. Moderator

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    JAR files are executable.
     
  15. Peyomp

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    Minimal support of .NET 1.0 only. Mono does not help.
     
  16. morgue

    morgue New Member

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    Of course it is, everyone tries to create the standard
     
  17. aphoric

    aphoric Even if god did exist, it would be necessary to ab

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    you can make an executable.
    it came on my Mac, and it used to come with windows until MS tried to rip Sun off and got sued.
    Never lead what market?

    Some unsubstantiated trolling is what this sounds like. Technology is an ever-evolving world, and what is true today man not be true tomorrow. Never say never. Someday Microsoft may be like previous leaders, SGI and Cray, and .NET may be grouped with COBOL. I don't think any of us can say what will be, a lot of success and failure is not based on technological efficacy. Must I speak of betamax vs. VHS?
     
  18. Peyomp

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    Standard for what? Nobody tries to make the standard for everything because if they do so, they fail.
     
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    Well, I've seen plenty of cool Mono apps. F-spot, diva, tomboy, beagle..
    Most of those are for GNOME only though.
     

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