GUN J-Frame and +P

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  1. Guvnor

    Guvnor NYM3 and Me

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    Not friendly on the wrist.....that is all.
     
  2. Great CCW gun, bad range gun.
     
  3. LancerV

    LancerV Something Happened OT Supporter

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    Its not awful
     
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    I keep wadcutters in mine - really not enough velocity out of a J Frame for proper JHP expansion.
     
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    LancerV Something Happened OT Supporter

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  6. Speer has a Gold Dot load that is specifically tailored to short barreled revolvers. They offer it in at least .38spl +p and .357mag.
     
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    I keep wadcutters in mine also.
     
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    DaninTexas OT Supporter

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    I love my small frame 9mm revolver.

    So much fun. Like a hammer hitting your hand every shot
     
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    Soybomb New Member

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    I have full wadcutters in the chamber and the speer jhp on speed strips.
     
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    [DWI] Master of Nothing

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    J-Frame and Magnum
     
  11. Guvnor

    Guvnor NYM3 and Me

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    What are wadcutters?? I now have Hornady Critical Defense
     
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    TL1000RSquid ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

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    I want one of these in hammerless airweight :o
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    Which one? My taurus 905 isnt bad at all to shoot.
     
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    Same. To be fair I am a pussy - AKA Have alot of fucked up shit with my wrists. I don't have 100% movement, some messed up stuff with my tendons there and all that jazz.

    I do love the gun though. After some time last month with it, I think I shot near 2 boxes, I am used to the one thing I hated about the gun which was the moonclips.
     
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    .357 out of my SW Airlite is a BEAST.
     
  16. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wadcutter

    I really don't see why people would choose a wadcutter for self defense. If they're concerned about a JHP not expanding properly, why choose a bullet that's GUARANTEED not to expand? Even a JHP that expanded a tiny amount would make a bigger hole than a wadcutter. On top of all of this, there is ammunition available (Gold Dot Short Barrel) that is specifically designed for expansion and penetration out of short barreled revolvers.

    Here's Speer's expansion and penetration data for the .38spl Short Barrel.
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    I rock the speer 135 grain in mine as well :h5:
     
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    Guvnor NYM3 and Me

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  19. No. I am just interested in why people would choose to use wadcutters for self defense when there are rounds available that are specifically designed for use in short barreled revolvers. The ammo you posted looks fine, it just uses that polymer insert to prevent the hollow tip from becoming clogged with material as it passes through clothing or other barriers. Of course, the Speer results I posted show that the tip becoming clogged with material isn't such a concern with that round, unless you're shooting through plywood.
     
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    Guvnor NYM3 and Me

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    Good cause I just bought a box. I hate wasting money.
     
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    Milky I'm in your Millenium Falcon, rumbling your Wookie

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    Good info
     
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    Guvnor NYM3 and Me

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  24. Some good info in that link. Note though, that the Gold Dots were specifically commented on for their ability to expand after passing through heavy clothing. :)
     
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    The width of tissue the bullet crushes isn't equal to its actual physical width. The shape of a round tipped bullet like a fmj or unexpanded jhp will let the tissue of the wound slip around it without being torn. The end result is a wound that only 60-70% as wide as the bullet's width. The sharp edge of a wadcutter will leave a wound about as wide as the bullets actual width. So yes, an unexpanded jhp will leave a smaller wound than just a plain wadcutter.

    The wadcutter is also usually a nice soft shooting round that I can place better and more quickly than some of the nukes that people like to load in airlights.

    Fackler. "The Full Wadcutter--An Extremely Effective Bullet Design", Wound Ballistics Review. 4(2):6-7, Fall 1999
     
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