I've compiled all the info I found on CEE on this forum.

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  1. hootpie

    hootpie New Member

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    Maybe we can sticky this or put it in the archives so that there wont 10 threads a day on CEE. Let me know if I missed something so I can add it. I need someone to tell me all of the benefits of CEE (ie faster muscle recovery etc etc).


    What is it?
    - Creatine Ethyl Ester (Creatine Monohydrate with an ester attached)
    - CEE is a formula of creatine that can pass through the permeable membrane of the muscle cell without a molecule attachment (monohydrate requires the attachment). Therefore, CEE is noted to be more efficient, gives better/faster results, and does not cause bloating (a common problem with mono).
    - It's an acid.

    Which brand should I buy?
    - BN CEE is popular www.bulknutrition.com

    What are the side effects/risks?
    - The byproduct of creatine is creatinine, which can be bad for your kidneys (for those who already have kidney problems or those who are prone to them), so drink at least 1.5 gallons of water a day to flush it out of your system.
    - The scientific literature notes only some cases of problems with long term use of creatine. It should also be noted that no scientific paper has been done on CEE, it's all been done on mono so almost everything said about CEE is based on the supp companies' information.
    - It's acidic, so it can erode the enamel off of your teeth.
    - It doesn't taste good.

    What are the benefits?
    - Decreases recovery time.
    - Improves athletic performance.
    - Improves cognitive performance.

    How much should I take?
    - 2g before your workout--2g after your workout
    - 2g on off days
    - 1tsp ~2g

    What's the best way to take it?
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    Don't mix it with shakes.
    - Put your dose in a small amount of water/juice and take it like a shot...or you can drink it out of your sippy cup if you're a girl.

    Is there a loading period?
    No.

    Will it cause bloating/water retention?
    No.

    Do I need to cycle it?
    No.

    What are the advantages of CEE over Creatine Monohydrate?
    - Wont degrade in liquid.
    - Absorbed from the gut faster and more efficiently.
    - No gastric upset.
    - Wont cause bloating/water retention.
    - Might not require the creatine transporter to make it into the cell (speculation).

    Other information
    It doesn't taste good. There are 2,000 threads saying it doesn't taste good, so you don't need to make one after you try it for the first time.
     
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    Thank you kind sir!

    Where's the gym story though?
     
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    No problem :)...I was searching for all the info I could because I'm thinking about taking CEE, so I figured I'd compile all the info into one place.

    As for a gym story, one of the guys that goes to my gym told me I've been getting bigger :dunno: (I made sure he meant more muscular vs fat :rofl:).
     
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    I found these benefits on bodybuilding.com's FAQ...are they accurate?

    Regular creatine monohydrate has been shown effective at increasing lean muscle mass, muscle strength, and athletic performance.
     
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    I bring the lurkers out like crazy :rofl:
     
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    Pretty cool but its been done before.:hs:
     
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    That's not totally true. Under normal condition, creatinine levels are a good marker of kidney function but taking creatine obviously leads to a biased result. Creatine is only a problem for those who already have kidney problem, the scientific litterature notes only some cases of problems with long term use of creatine. It should also be noted that no scientific paper has been done on CEE, it's all been done on mono so almost everything said about CEE is based on the supp companies' information. The only thing I've consistently read about is that some people experience less water retention problems with CEE.
     
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    Why wasn't it stickied? You'd think that with all of these threads on CEE, it would have been stickied.
     
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    yup
     
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    word, I motion to sticky this one.:wavey:
     
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    Because it is an acid, if you drink it with another acid you can "cover up" some of the taste :o
     
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    Has creatine ever been shown to be cancerous? :dunno:
     
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    Cancerous? I dont think so....:hsugh:
     
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    creatine also improves cognitive performance
     
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    I'll add that too (assuming it's true :squint:)...what are all of the benefits that you know of?
     
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    Btw, a significant effect is usually p < 0.01, so these results are really good, especially considering the design.
     
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    That's pretty damn cool. What are the other benefits (I'm talking the ones it's known for...ie increased strength, faster recovery etc)?
     
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    Oh, I should also add that the speed of processing they're speaking about in the study is highly correlated with IQ (I think it's around .80 or something like that).
     
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    No archive love?
     
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    I'm starting to doubt CEE, is there any hard evidence of its effectiveness
    or studies comparing it with mono? I can't seem to find any, but everyone seems to be in support of CEE, where is its reputation coming from?
     
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    There's nothing on CEE, it's all on mono. There are some people saying they bloat less on CEE, but that's the most "scientific" thing there is on it.
     
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