MMA It must suck to be a striker at 170lbs

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  1. Rommel

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    It must really suck to be a striker at 170 these days

    Unless you have ko power and a hell of a lot of luck and perseverance you are in trouble. just look at this list of guys you need to go through before even getting close to Hughes.

    Hughes
    GSP
    Trigg
    Karo
    Diego
    Stevenson
    Riggs
    Koscheck

    Then outliers like
    Burkman


    All of these guys are diehard wrestlers (judo is a form of wrestling before anyone bitches), you have to look at guys like Diaz, Charuto and Lyttle to see the guys who are the BJJ boxer stylists who still struggle alot yet they are the most dangerous opponents stylistically apart from other wrestlers of course.

    Luke's got a contract, he's an awesome striker but with this group of people in front of him the future doesn't look too bright. I hope he does really well as he's an exciting fighter who has unlimited cardio and an unorthodox style, he either needs to work on his wrestling and escapes ala chuck liddel or adopt a nick diaz approach and have an awesome guard.
     
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    i'd hate to take an elbow from any of those guys :hs:
     
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    Both Cummo and VonFlue cut to get to 170...maybe they'll move to MW and breath life into that division.

    Seriously though, WW could be in trouble, cause there are no dominant strikers. (cause face it, most crowds prefer a striker) It's a good thing us fans are starting to figure out things like guard, half guard, and side control. Sometimes I think that if the UFC didn't allow elbows it'd be a total flop.
     
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    Imagine Fedor with elbows :run:

    It's a shame that there isn't a promotion that goes the whole hog and allows knees, soccer kicks, elbows and stomps. That would make for some awesome matches.

    Some times you see fights in pride where they are stuck in half guard doing nothing and then times in the ufc where the guy is crawling forward eddie bravo style and the guy can't knee or kick him. It's those moments that i pray that elbows/ knees on the ground were allowed.
     
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    You'd get sick of it though when the guys weren't healthy enough to fight more than once or twice a year.
     
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    it may look more violent and brutal but after one stomp or kick you are usually done unless you react that very instant and gtfo of there.

    Guys in boxing take accumulated blows throughout the fight.
     
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    Boxing loses a half of a dozen guys a year.
     
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    i want to see Anderson Silva throw 'bows
     
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    I think Anderson is too big now to fight at 170lbs
     
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    Cummo survived surprisingly well on teh ground against joe though. i dont think he could win against most of these guys, but he probably wouldnt get owned either. stevenson is a good addition to that division.
     
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    but he's a MW i thought

    EDIT: japanese 185lb MW that is :o
     
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    I'd like to see Lawler back in the UFC at 170.
     
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    170 is by far the deepest weight class in UFC
     
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    pretty much why i think this is the most lackluster division in mma
     
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    cabbage Current USGA index 2.7 OT Supporter

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    I think the opposite. Hughes may be pound-for-pound number one in the world, and St. Pierre has got to be in the top 10.
     
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    like the 185 div elsewhere, i think that it's pretty versatile because fighters can bulk or cut to get into this division relatively easily.
     
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    maybe it's just cause of my preference for strikers...but when you look at the champions from other weight classes....Gomi, Franklin, Silva, lidell, Fedor, etc...i just dont think Hughes has nearly the complete game that these guys have...besides GSP...no one can compete with Hughes strength and wresling...no one has good enough take down defense for hughes to keep him on his feet to make him show his striking skills...which i think are pretty poor considering he is a champion...anyways GSP and Hughes for me are the only figures in this division that stand out
     
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    Gomi although he is more of a striker is still a wrestler
    I'd say that Fedor is more of a wrestler/judoka than a striker

    But these things usually go in cycles, if there is a striker dominant usually a grappler will come and beat them and vice versa. that's the great thing about mma, some times a will beat b and then c will beat a and b will beat c. it's so much more dynamic than boxing when it comes to matchups.
     

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