is this old news? it just sort of hit me last night v. bar travel

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  1. KingGargantuan

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    that squats, deadlifts, power cleans, and probably most of the other "heavy lifting" exercises, other than bench i think, the bar travel should be as close to straight up and down as possible?

    correct me if i'm wrong. when i did powercleans last night, i had the bar on a 3'x3' rubber mat with the weight resting in the center of each mat. if i focused on keeping that weight directly above it's starting position and _I_ moved under it, the bar ended up on my front delts with the weights hovering directly over the same spot they started on. so, the bar travelled pretty straight.

    i tried to do this with squats as well and will also do the same for deads tomorrow.

    your thoughts?
     
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    shortest point between two points is a straight line which makes it the easiest path to take. it changes in some lifts due to body mechanics and loading the strongest muscle for a certain range. it has been completely proven that the best olympic lifters have an almost perfect straight line throughout the whole movement though. i can't find them on the net but in the old olympic gym i used to go to they had a poster that tracked the bar path of world record settings lifts and it was almost completely vertical with just a little bit of travel in the horizontal during the catch and the press
     
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    would practicing your form with really really light weight on a smith machine be beneficial, or just stupid?

    btw, your AV has cracked me up since the day i joined OTFN. If thats you, then the picture is perfect. you literally look like a "Gogzilla"
     
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    Using the smith machine to learn form is pretty stupid. Your locked in its targeted path of motion. Use a real bb and learn how your body moves for those lifts, adjust accordingly.
     
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    Why would you do it on a smith that only works on 1 plane, when a free bar has 3 planes?
     
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    yea what they said. a smith machine will do just the opposite when it comes to your body learning to keep a bar in a straight line. the bar is already going straight so there's no way for you to adjust your body in order to keep your form perfect. more room for errors and injury.

    maybe hanging chains from a squat rack, with a 2" gap between them, and as you squat/clean/deadlift you try and make sure you dont rub the chains.

    :dunno: or just have someone watch you as you're exercising.
     
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    practicing on a smith machine will get you to get used to the motion of that, where it only moves on 1plane (as already stated). You'll then go do it w/ a barbell and be totally fucked when the bar moves in the other 2 planes on you.
     
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    there is a guy at my gym who squats only on the smith machine, it looks like some fucked up good morning more than anything. i'm waiting on his back to snap in half.
     
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    I've seen guys do curls on the Smith machine. People will do anything.
     
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    okay, got it.
     
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    Oh Hai! Remember when I hit a 135x2 BB curl in the rack?
     
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    the proper form of a clean actually has a slight s curve shape
     
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    If you think about it, if you aren't moving roughly straight up and down the bar isn't over your feet and therefore you're center of gravity isn't over your feet. As your bar to body weight ratio goes up, the straighter the line will get as your body weight moving around has less effect on balance.
     
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    i don't think that is correct.
     
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    rippetoe disagrees with you :dunno:

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    Vince Gironda used to recommend 'body drag' curls so as to remove the front delts and have a better contraction at the top position. Sooo... I guess that would be why someone might use the smith machine... though never tried it myself in the smith.
     
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