GUN Is there any kind of national registry of firearms or owners?

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  1. Aequitas

    Aequitas If it keeps on raining, levee's going to break.

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    I was talking to my dad over dinner and we started discussing gun control and what not. I brought up how I was looking through the Florida Statutes and found the one that made it illegal for anyone in the state of Florida to keep any kind of registry of gun owners, even local and state agencies. At first he couldn't believe they were able to get the law passed, then he started telling me that when he was a police officer (he's since retired) he was able to look up either a serial # or a person's name and it would show all the guns they had purchased. He said he once looked up his name and it showed him owning 14 firearms, of which he had sold all but one. So, as the title asks, is there any kind of national registry? Does the ATF or something compile the info from the 4473 forms?

    Seems like they would be able to run the serial # of a lost or stolen gun to find the last lawful owner.

    Somewhat long read so, thanks:wavey:
     
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    david_4x4 New Member

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    Nope, unless it's registered item like DDs, machine guns, etc.
     
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  4. TwistedMind

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    Technicly no, but you have to be super nieve to belive the FBI dosnt have a registry in their database. Thats the whole point of NICS

    :tinfoil hat off:
     
  5. Soybomb

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    Not really, when your dealer makes a nics call they don't talk about the gun so how does it get populated?
     
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    FBI at least knows about a firearm purchase. they could have a record of how many purchases you have made, but thats very irrelevant to your actual ownership numbers.

    4473's do not get sent to the ATF unless you close your dealership down, in which case I believe that the last 7 years records get sent in, because thats the time period that dealers must retain records for.
     
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  10. PorscheRacer

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    The dealer still writes down the serial number/make/model of the gun. The ATF can call the dealer and ask what gun you purchased on a certain day. The ATF knows you bought a gun because of the NICS
     
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    But if they don't do this for every purchase there is database is there? ;)
     
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    PorscheRacer You see this? It means not welcome

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    The point was they can find out what you have purchased through a FFL but there is no active database so to say.
     
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  13. Aequitas

    Aequitas If it keeps on raining, levee's going to break.

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    I talked to one of the officers I usually do ride alongs with and he said he can only pull up firearms that have been reported stolen or ones that were taken to the Sheriff's office to be registered. It's a good thing they aren't breaking Florida Statutes. And I'm glad there isn't any kind of national database (that we know of), even though it sounds like it'd be pretty easy for it to be established.
     
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    I used to sell guns. Dont tell me what we talked about when doing NICS The point was When you call NCIS to approve someone you fill out a form that has what type of gun, what caliber of gun, and that guns serial #. The when the ATF audits you which does happen they have access to your records. Not to mention your bound books which has all the information in them that you are required to turn into the ATF when you leave the buisness.
     
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    Dealers are required to retain a copy of the form for 20 years, their bound book must containe every tranfer conducted. And when they leave the buisness the bound book must be turned in.
     
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    Don't take it so personally buddy, I'm just trying to show that they aren't gathering the information on the nics call. But to get it straight you're claiming there is a national gun database and its the point of nics. The database is actually populated with information during atf audits or when a dealer turns in his bound book? Is that your theory?
     
  17. Artyboy

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    Ok you call in, verify all your information, give all of the customers information they ask you what kind of gun. You say longgun / handgun etc.

    They approve, deny, delay, 99% first tier is delay ___> Second tier approve, deny, delay -->> this is wherew most people end up getting approved.

    So while they may not know the caliber of your weapon they do know that

    John Doe SS# 123456789 DL # 12345678
    12345 any road
    anywhere USA any county Texas

    Has purchased a long gun, A handgun etc.

    The gun dealer dies his bound book gets turned in they then have
    Caliber of weapon, semi or bolt action, the lucky few full auto.

    Thats all I was trying to say. I didnt mean to sound like I was takeing it personally sometime hard to show disposition on te net.
     
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    I've always heard the 4473s only need to be kept for 7yrs
     
  20. Joe_Cool

    Joe_Cool Never trust a woman or a government. Moderator

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    Do you really think they don't keep and compile all that information? There's no official database. But you're naive if you think the FBI and ATF have access to all that data and don't use it.
     
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    Joe_Cool Never trust a woman or a government. Moderator

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    I'm fairly sure it's 20.
     
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  23. Soybomb

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    Yeah I do. I don't think the government is efficient enough to organize, input, and store that data without it slipping out that they are doing it let alone using it.

    http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=201031
    has an interesting story from a former ffl holder:
    plus
    I definately believe the possibility exists that in the future they'll scan the bound books and and could populate a database with OCR quite easily. But I don't think its happened. I'll gladly look at proof to the contrary though.
     
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    buy your guns private sale if you're so concerned :dunno:
     
  25. Aequitas

    Aequitas If it keeps on raining, levee's going to break.

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    I'm not concerned about it, I just thought there might be something like that to trace guns used in crimes and what not. I figured there had to be a reason that criminals sratch the serial # off, such as being able to trace it back to where it was stolen.
     

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