Is there a better car for under $26k than the MS3?

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  1. AutoEuphoria

    AutoEuphoria New Member

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    Looking for a new car...has to be both functional and fun to drive. Has to be comfortable and nice on the inside with good all-around stying on the outside and inside. Has to have 200+ hp. Can be RWD, FWD, or AWD. Has to get 20+ mpg. and at least be somewhat OK in all weather (snow, rain, sun).

    All I can think of is the Mazdaspeed3 and the Cobalt SS Turbo...and the MS3 appears to be the nicer car overall (and I like the functionality of a hatch). Anything I'm missing?
     
  2. deanh8

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    That new turbo cobalt is badass. Its setting record lap times all over the US for FWD classes. Faster then an E46 M3 and a STi around the nurburgring too. Brembos, launch control, anti lag, full throttle shifting, highly tuned suspension, direct injection turbo ecotec. Badass little car for the money. Now if only it looked a little better.

    I hear they are going to offer stage kits through the dealer that keep the factory warranty. Small stuff like tune and intake take it over the 300hp level with ease.
     
  3. art_VW_shark

    art_VW_shark OT Supporter

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    for under 26?
     
  4. Virality

    Virality New Member

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    Looked at the site.

    It'd seem that they're standard.
     
  5. Mitchj

    Mitchj OT Supporter

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    22 arn't they?
     
  6. you know me

    you know me OT where the douchbags play

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    no, 42,000$ moron. Really just kill yourself
     
  7. art_VW_shark

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    volvo s40/v50 slightly used.
     
  9. Silver 93 Supra

    Silver 93 Supra Social Liberal, Fiscal Conservative

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    I completely second this answer. I am not a fan of the MS3 because of its terrible power band. It lags then hit you hard with torque that falls off completely after only a couple thousand RPM. The Cobalt SS has a much better powertrain, handles better, and brakes better. The Cobalt SS is also has a base price of $23,037, and is fully loaded at $25,225 although the only things I would add to the base would be the LSD, and possibly the performance display. The car also has an real world 23 MPG average.
     
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    Silver 93 Supra Social Liberal, Fiscal Conservative

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    Base of $23,037
     
  11. art_VW_shark

    art_VW_shark OT Supporter

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    :coolugh:depends on what you want out of a car
     
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    I couldnt get one over $24,480, even with all the options.
     
  13. dan7532

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    Cobalt SS does NOT have anti-lag
     
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    nice, comfortable, blast to drive, quick, corners well, looks spectacular, safe, etc.

    volvo s40/v50 deliver it all.
     
  15. dan7532

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    Those qualities are counter-productive. A priority list would better help others understand what you REALLY want in a car.

    ex: safe vs corners well
    Ford excursion vs lotus elise
    which do you prefer more? safety or cornering?

    Everything is a compromise. If anyone wants others helping decide what car is the BEST compromise for YOU, we need to know your priorities.
     
  16. deusexaethera

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    Oh who gives a fuck about Brembos anyway. Racer kids act like they're the only brakes that can possibly meet their exacting demands for stopping performance, when it's the pads that actually stop the car. Most people with racing brakes don't know how to use 'em anyway.
     
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    Considering getting one. :noes:
     
  18. dan7532

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    and only the front brakes are brembos, LOL

    e-hard-on for brembos!

    I'm curious what you mean by "knowing how to use 'em (racing brakes)"
     
  19. deusexaethera

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    Mostly what I mean is it doesn't matter how good your brakes are if you don't have the skill to modulate them and avoid skidding.

    There's also a lot of other factors that have to be taken into consideration, if you really want to tune your brakes to be perfect for your driving style -- how often and how hard do you stop the car, how hot do the pads get as a result, what is the optimum pad compound for that temperature, does the temperature between the front and rear brakes differ enough that they should have different pads, do you have enough traction from the tires, etc. Obviously, this stuff is esoteric enough that most drivers aren't going to notice substantial improvement over your basic vented discs and metallic+ceramic pads, and the OEMs will take care of all the careful calculations -- which is why for most people, it doesn't make two shits worth of difference if they have fancy brakes or not.

    If a casual enthusiast wanted to upgrade anything in their brake system to get better performance, I'd say to get new pads with a high percentage of ceramic (like EBC Redstuffs, which I have and I love), and replace the rubber flex lines with braided steel. Then, if you start engaging the ABS a lot, it's time to get better tires. The three of those will give you all the stopping power you'll ever need on public streets.
     
  20. you know me

    you know me OT where the douchbags play

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    guess you've never heard of abs
     
  21. deusexaethera

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    Yes, I've heard of ABS. However, that has nothing to do with what I said; whether or not you're skidding or engaging the ABS pump, either way you're still not using your brakes right.
     
  22. 5Gen_Prelude

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    You'll need a set of winters if you're going to buy the MS3 - it comes stock with summer tires. And it really does suck in the snow with those on.

    I love the MS3 - 3rd car in a row I've bought that was a 10Best
     
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    So... alot of people have problems w/ the turbo leaking oil. :ugh:
     
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    Are you looking for a new "new" car or a new used car?
     
  25. you know me

    you know me OT where the douchbags play

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    oh do explain mr. al unser jr
     

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