GUN Is the M9 really an ideal "fighting pistol,"

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  1. Ghostrider4450

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    ...regardless of its use in the Armed Forces? In particular, I want to get the opinions of those who have taken a combat/fighting pistol course who may have used of seen someone else use that pistol in said class. Also, those who may have actually used one on duty or in the Armed Forces.

    As many of you know, I recently came into ownership of a M92FSand that I want to attend a fighting pistol/rifle course. While I am very comfortable with the M9, it may not be ideal. Though I would think my familiarity with the weapon system alone would play a large part in my success with it.
     
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    I don't like the safety on the slide. Accuracy seems to be lacking. I talked to a couple of service members at a fighting rifle class and they preferred the the G19 to the M9 (mostly for weight though).
     
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    NO. It's all about contracts.
     
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    Keep it American, M&P 45. Hoo-Ah!
     
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    Some uneducated people think we should go back to the 1911.
     
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    Safety on the slide sucks, I like the pistol, but if I were to own one it would be strictly a range gun.

    There are plenty of better options.
     
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    It's a great pistol, don't get me wrong, but with modern technology there are many other options that are better.
    It's not cost effective anymore either.
     
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    I know I'll get shit for saying this, but I really think the M&P line-up would be perfect for military use.
    A couple models have had some bugs at first, but most, if not all, of those have been worked out, and the M&P 45 has pretty much been stellar from the get-go.

    I just don't think the military wants to go back to 45 for a sidearm. I mean, they probably WANT to, for obvious reasons, but its just so much goddamn more money for ammunition than 9mm it ain't even funny. The difference in cost when you're calculating hundreds of thousands, if not millions of rounds, is just astronomical, for the same amount.

    S&W is local, so it's American, and they're really good with contracts. And many police departments around the country are switching to M&P's as well.
    It fits the bill, I just don't know why they won't at least consider it.
     
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    The M&P 45 HAS a manual safety, and the new fullsize 9's have the option as well.
    Sorry to burst your M&P hating bubble buddy.
     
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    Bubble buddy.... lolz.
     
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    word. the m9 works fine for standing watch. I am in the navy btw.

    someone said .45 would be much much more expensive than 9 when talking about the millions upon millions of rounds the government buys. quite true in fact.

    this is also the reason ( according to the navy small arms instructer I asked) that the military uses full metal jacket instead of hollowpoint. it is simply a cost issue. also there isn't a single manufacturer that would be able to supply enough jhp for the military.
     
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    Hey Ebtromba... the reason the military uses FMJ is because of NATO or UN restrictions on hollowpoints. So they can't use anything else.
    Something about global hippies and thinking hollowpoints are inhumane. :ugh:
     
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    also, just because no one's said it...

    the sole reason the us military chose the beretta and still uses it today is so we can still have bases in italy.

    not exactly a great criteria for choosing a weapon..

    but it works well enough.

    the small arms instructor mentioned above said the 3 main problems that affect the m9 also affected the 1911. that is lack of lubrication, lack of maintenance and replacement parts, and shitty 3rd party magazines.

    as I said these 3 things affected the 1911 as well, and is caused by the military being stupid. this will not change no matter what sidearm the military goes to.

    however, he mention that of course some weapons run more reliably when underlubed than others, (GLOCK) and in his opinion both the m9 and 1911 don't fare well in this regard.
     
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    this is a largely believed and often repeated myth. not true, it is simply a cost issue.

    according to the smalls arms instructor I worked with and then some limited research on my own
     
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    Larry Vickers has a pretty good article about the M9 in 8th Annual Shotgun News (A collection of the Best SHOTGUN NEWS Articles Published in 2007).
     
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    the hague accord is usaully sited when people say we can't use jhp. I dunno, this guy said it wasn't true. maybe he's another example of uninformed military incompetence. regardless..I believe the cost factor would rule it out.

    special forces might be different, I hope they are. those badasses should be rocking +p gold dots ftw
     
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    yeah i've read that and it was scary how similar the article was to what the instructor was saying. maybe he read it too
     
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    :wtf:

    Boy, I wonder what kind of 9mm I was bricking in the armory last month.
     
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    Aequitas If it keeps on raining, levee's going to break.

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    http://www.thegunzone.com/hague.html

    Interesting read.
     
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    there you go. and yet in this global war on terrorism the general population of troops are not issued 9mm HP ammo for their M9's. because it would cost too fracking much
     

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