Is it commonly accepted that Star Wars was heavilly "influenced" by Dune

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  1. TracerBullet

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    Because it sure as hell seems like it.

    I mean really the whole concept of interstellar political/economic struggle, a desert planet, moisture farms, sand people a mother dying during child birth to very important twins, secret religious orders, the nature of foresight in both, an implication of all life being part of a metaphysical network...

    Its all very familiar.
     
  2. Joe_Cool

    Joe_Cool Never trust a woman or a government. Moderator

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    I don't know if Dune is a major influence, but I'm sure it was at least some influence. SW was kind of an amalgamation of everything: from Samurai movies to Errol Flynn adventures, and even medieval sword and sorcery movies (note the long-lost-prince-learning-who-he-is theme).
     
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    Joe_Cool Never trust a woman or a government. Moderator

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    A lot of that seems like it's kind of reaching. I'm sure they're not all direct influences. Star Wars uses a lot of archetypes that probably weren't directly borrowed from other stories, but have been used in many different stories because they're common themes in literature.
     
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    :eek3: you've solved the mystery of how j.k. rowling came up with such a compelling story so quick.
     
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    Joe_Cool Never trust a woman or a government. Moderator

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    :mamoru: There are a lot more similarities than that. You could write a thesis on it.
     
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    I dont know, main heros family is mostly all killed he grows up on the run and develops his skills, eventually overthrows people who killed his family. I know its not the same, but its pretty similar.
     
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    i'll admit it's similar, i just read the first dune book, reading the second one right now.

    i like how star wars is a lot more descriptive of the empire and other people/species
     
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    All heros have pretty much the same basic story.
     
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    How can Star Wars not be influenced by the epic Dune saga?

    Jedi is to Star Wars as Bene Gesserit are to Dune, anybody?

    I am currently starting the sixth and final book of the Dune saga, and I must say, I see many similar themes in Star Wars and other sci-fi shows/films. Dune essentially re-wrote and redefined science fiction, moving away from the small scale of interstellar space travel to the huge scale of governments, religious factions, rebels and takeovers. Frank Herbert makes writing about ruling planets look easy.
     
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    It's pretty simple. Star Wars is possibly the perfect example of a melodrama. Melodramas are VERY formulaic. Just about any melodrama will follow the same schema as Star Wars because of this.
     
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    no WAY...
     
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    Joe_Cool Never trust a woman or a government. Moderator

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    Yeah, totally doesn't fit.

    Jedi are more akin to the Samurai.
     
  16. Joe_Cool

    Joe_Cool Never trust a woman or a government. Moderator

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    It isn't exactly hard to discover that you can write stories about Governments. You're really reaching, IMO. Again, rebellion against an empire is a standard motif in literature. And when you're setting your story in space, it's not a big stretch to put the government in space too.
     
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    Star Wars is a mix of a lot more stuff actually. This is a good read if you're interested in the subject:

    http://www.jitterbug.com/origins/

    Edit: Sorry for bumping an old threard, I just saw it for the first time.
     
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