interesting article on clen

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  1. Chris3G

    Chris3G Bullshark Testosterone

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    according to the article, a recent study has found that clenbuterol was safe at high dosages in heart failure patients, and also helped to increase muscle mass and strength, which is commonly believed to not be the case in humans.

    here's the full text of the article -

     
  2. Marijuanair

    Marijuanair Remember to have your pet spayed or neutered! OT Supporter

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    Clen is a full blown anabolic steroid is it not? That is what my family doctor told me when I was having some strange liver problems and I was taking it (got from Mexico :noes:)
     
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    shastaisforwinners OT Supporter

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    http://www.steroid.com/Clenbuterol.php
     
  4. Chris3G

    Chris3G Bullshark Testosterone

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    no it's not an anabolic steroid at all. it's original medical use was as a bronchodilator.
     
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    interesting to see that article considering the dangers of necrosis that have been documented in the past. I'm suprised they even did the study.
     
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    again... stop posting in the f&n

    clen is not an anabolic steroid
     
  7. Chris3G

    Chris3G Bullshark Testosterone

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    the heart tissue necrosis is why i am not using it, but now they want to use it for heart patients? weird, right?

    well either way, it says that due to the success of this small study, more and larger studies are planned.
     
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    very cool article, btw. I wonder what doses they actually used... seems like they are saying 400mcg+
     
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    ^^ yeah, they said a very high does. I can't think of the logic behind putting heart patients on a high dose of clen, something just doesnt make sense. my heartrate was elevated all day on 100-120mcg - I can't imagine that would be good for something with a weak heart.
     
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    Chris3G Bullshark Testosterone

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    possibly some kind of mistake or misinterpretation of the study by the author of the article, she also writes in the beginning that bodybuilders use clen to "bulk up" which is not really correct either.

    It would be interesting to see the actual study.
     
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    haha, that's the weirdest idea i've ever heard of. "hey! clen probably causes cardiac hypertrophy! let's put some people with weak-ass hearts on it, and fuckin' jack the dose up!"
     
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    cavefish You ain't a crook son, you just a shook one

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    So why the fuck were you taking it?

    Jesus.
     
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    Ceaze https://hearthis.at/DoYouEvenUplift Moderator

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    That's because in these patients their hearts are atrophying, basically dying off, and can't produce enough power to sustain adequate circulation.
     
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    way to research properly, reporter chick
     
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    strange , strange study.



    But interesting nonetheless. :bigthumb:
     
  16. Marijuanair

    Marijuanair Remember to have your pet spayed or neutered! OT Supporter

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    oh, and here is something from the first site I googled: http://www.clenbuterol.com/
    "Contrary to popular belief, Clenbuterol is not a steroidal compound, although it has some steroid-like characteristics."

    So is it that fucking out there for someone to think it's a steroid if "popular belief" is that it is one? :rolleyes: settle the fuck down mainesucks, I dont need your fucking attitude. If I'm wrong tell me I'm wrong, and tell me why, dont bitch me out, I've never given anyone advice on here, I barf out info I take in, but always do it in a "this is what I heard" manner.
     
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  17. Marijuanair

    Marijuanair Remember to have your pet spayed or neutered! OT Supporter

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    Oh and more Mainesucks ownage, here are some articals for the other things you fucking bitched me out on: Aspirin in the ECA stack
    [SIZE=-1]"1. Ephedrine/Caffeine/Aspirin (E/C/A stack) [/SIZE]
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    [SIZE=-1]c) Aspirin [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]Aspirin contains Acetylsalicylic acid. It has been proven that in conjuction with Ephedra plus Caffeine, your fat loss process can get even greater."[/SIZE]






    oh, and last, but not least:






    [SIZE=-1]Finally, remember to always cycle Ephedrine since its the most important ingredient of the E/C/A stack. (So you should always cycle E/C/A)[/SIZE]






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    [SIZE=-1]I never for a second deny that I really dont know much about fitness/suppliments, but I'm learning... but apparently I'm not as stupid as you think I am.
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  18. Ceaze

    Ceaze https://hearthis.at/DoYouEvenUplift Moderator

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    bodybuilding.com articles aren't reliable sources. Here's a peer reviewed scientific study:


    Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord. 1996 Feb;20(2):91-7.

    Post-prandial thermogenesis with ephedrine, caffeine and aspirin in lean, pre-disposed obese and obese women.

    Horton TJ, Geissler CA.

    Department of Nutrition and Dietetics, King's College, University of London, Kensington, UK.

    OBJECTIVE: To determine whether or not aspirin further potentiates the greater post-prandial thermogenesis induced by ephedrine with caffeine.

    DESIGN: Determination of the acute metabolic rate response to the following treatments: 1050 kJ liquid meal (M); meal plus ephedrine (30 mg) and caffeine (100 mg) (MEC) or meal plus ephedrine, caffeine and aspirin (300 mg) (MECA).

    SUBJECTS: Lean, pre-disposed obese and obese women (n = 10 each group).

    MEASUREMENTS: Pre- and post-treatment metabolic rate determinations via indirect calorimetry. Post-treatment measurements made at 20 min intervals for a total of 160 min.

    RESULTS: In all groups, metabolic rate increased significantly more following the MEC or MECA, compared to the meal only (p < 0.05). The obese group had a significantly greater absolute increase in metabolic rate following the MECA and MEC compared to both the lean and pre-disposed obese groups (p < 0.05). Metabolic rate remained elevated at the end of the 160 min following all treatments.

    CONCLUSION: Aspirin does not further potentiate the acute thermic effect of ephedrine and caffeine with a meal. Longer duration studies are necessary to confirm these results.
     
  19. Marijuanair

    Marijuanair Remember to have your pet spayed or neutered! OT Supporter

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    NOT my point cleaze. The point was Mainesucks keeps getting penis hurt everytime I post something and I needed to defend myself.

    Fitness is alot of opinions, for everyone that says one thing, there is someone who thinks the opposite, does that mean that either are wrong? maybe, maybe not. I am no nutritionist, I only know what I've read/been told, and I repost what I've been told. I never give advice, I'm careful on that.
     
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    you are a fucking moron
     
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    listen... its great that you want to come in here and contribute information to everyone. But you are just blindly regurgitating information without looking into its legitimacy. When challenged on it, you cite bodybuilding.com

    people coming in and spitting out something they heard on TV or 'read somewhere' is one of the reasons myths are perpetuated. It doesn't take very long to varify information with credible sources.
     
  22. Marijuanair

    Marijuanair Remember to have your pet spayed or neutered! OT Supporter

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    You're right... but the handful of things I said I either heard from my doctor (aparently it's a common mistake on the clen) or read in Muscle and Fitness mag, which seem to be credible sources :dunno:

    Like I said, you cant really varify almost anything in the fitness and nutrition world, because everyone seems to say something differnent. Christ, the fucking FDA said that steroids were bullshit in the early 80's and 70's and said they didnt do anything :hsugh:
     
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    Sgt. Ownage you gon' be just fiiiine

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    troll
     
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    priceisright, fuck up
     
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