A&P I'm taking the DSLR plunge *NOOB*

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  1. tolomei

    tolomei Leaving Las *****-Vegas

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    I'm waivering between a Canon XTI and the 40D for the body. I'm thinking if I get the XTI and learn how to shoot with it, I'll be more prepared for when I want to upgrade . . . and anyone that knows me knows I WILL upgrade. :hs:

    or . . . I'll get the 40D now and just cut to the chase on the whole upgrade process.

    I've signed up for two classes at the local community college. Advanced DSLR Photography and Photography Lighting. I'll probably take two or three more classes after that. The other classes I'm looking at are Photographing People, Action Photography, Architectural and Landscape Photography, and Adobe Lightroom.

    What lense would you recommend for a beginner? I know eventually I'll have a few lenses, but what is a good lense to start off with? I'm looking for a lense that would be appropriate for class work.

    Also, would you recommend anything else for a noob? Besides reading the stickies in this thread. I've already done that. :o
     
  2. White Stormy

    White Stormy Take that, subspace!

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    get the XTi. there is a huge price difference between those two, and getting the XTi will leave you with more money for lenses.. which are the important thing.

    and lenses retain value far better than a 40d or XTi body will, so if you decide you don't want to keep everything long term, you'll lose less money by investing the bulk in lenses instead of in a body.

    I have a 30D and my brother has an XTi. The XTi has a lot of really cool features that are especially useful for a beginner.

    I haven't used nearly as many lenses as everyone else here, but I think you could get an XTi kit and a 70-200/4L for less than the cost of just a 40D body.
     
  3. Spurious

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    I'd suggest the XT/XTi, Canon 70-200L, Tamron 17-50mm and maybe the Canon 50mm 1.4.
     
  4. ace3

    ace3 mouthify my wang.

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    you can't go wrong with either camera body.

    40D is a great camera, but that's a good point of going with the xti to save $$ for lenses.

    both cameras essentially have the same sensor, so there's not a lot of difference in image quality.

    24-70L is (apparently) a great portrait lens, and the next lens i'm going to purchase.
     
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    Derrict No, I am not Amish OT Supporter

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    Used 20D then upgrade.
     
  6. Bowzyr

    Bowzyr sup bro

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    Negative ghost rider.. there is a difference in the quality of sensor in the XTi vs. 40D.. I had the XTi for a year and loved it, now have the 40D.. EASILY noticeable.. ESPECIALLY if you start moving ISO to 800 or above... XTi shares many similarities with the Digic II in the 30D, but they sort of 'faked' the 10mp on the same sensor, thus reducing the overall quality per pixel and deteriorating ISO handling... Again, loved my XTi, great camera.. but to say it yields the same image quality as a 40D is silly.
     
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    It's okay, I generally ignore anything ace3 says. :noes:
     
  8. tolomei

    tolomei Leaving Las *****-Vegas

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    So what would be a good first lense then? Maybe I'll take your advice and get an XTI now with a great lens. By the time I want to upgrade, they may have a 50D out. :eek3:
     
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    I'm thinking of getting the 40D I listed and a Canon 70-200L. That should hold me over for a while before I get the urge to buy another lense. :dunno:

    It also appears having those two lenses would be enough for the classes I want to take.
     
  11. White Stormy

    White Stormy Take that, subspace!

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    you're gonna want something wider than 28mm. 28mm on a 40D is about like 45mm on a regular 35mm camera. that might not be wide enough for a class
     
  12. Bowzyr

    Bowzyr sup bro

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    agreed.
     
  13. Spurious

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    They also have a mint return policy.
     
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    tolomei Leaving Las *****-Vegas

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    Hmm... thanks. Maybe I'll go with Canon EF-S 17-85/4-5.6 IS USM as my first lense.
     
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    If it doesnt have to be brand new, take a look on craigslist. I was able to get a Nikon D70kit in the box from a guy for under $500. The guys that buy these things brand new are the type that will take care of their stuff. In my case, the camera is pristene. It also gives you a chance to meet locally to see it before you buy it.

    Just an option.
     
  18. JordanClarkson

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    I'd get the XTI. You won't be using the advanced features of the 40D until you shoot for money. :dunno:
     
  19. IntheWorks

    IntheWorks windin film.. takin pics Moderator

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    I wouldn't definitely pick up a XTI until you actually go and hold one. I'm not a huge guy by any means, but the xti just felt to small to me.

    personally I'd go with a used 20D, 70-200L and the 17-55f/2.8is
     
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    Okay, one more stab at this.

    Does this sound good? An XTI and a Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM.
     
  21. Bowzyr

    Bowzyr sup bro

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    that lens has terrible dust issues.... the image quality is good, but not nearly what it should be for a lens that is $1000.. would rather have a 30d/40d + 17-40 f/4 L.. unless you are doing a ton of low light no flash stuff.
     
  22. SoonDubu

    SoonDubu The most honest moment in a man's life is the five OT Supporter

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    meh


    get the 40d so you won't itch for an upgrade in 6 months.

    my first slr was 20d when it came out, and i've had it 4 yrs already...
    i like the layout of the controls better as well.... the thumb wheel ftw!
     
  23. tolomei

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    Thanks, that lense looks pretty sweet.
     
  24. ace3

    ace3 mouthify my wang.

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    nearly every review i've read says that the IQ is essentially the same between the two. i know the 40D's IQ is probably "slightly better", but "easily noticeable"? I disagree.

    I've had both, and without doing "tests", haven't seen anything dramatic.

    http://photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00MoHP

    and here are even some fancy graphs comparing IQ between the 40D & XTi.
    http://www.wlcastleman.com/equip/reviews/40D/
     
  25. ace3

    ace3 mouthify my wang.

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    you are a fucking retard. :rofl:

    just go buy some shit. regardless of what you buy, there is always going to be something better out there.
     

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