GUN I'm seriously looking into buying an AR and I need some guidance.

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  1. xpinchx

    xpinchx hes got a nice cock, on the thin side but its stil

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    I've considered a few different options and I'm still not even sure which caliber to go with. I'd like something cheap to shoot like 9mm, but I'd be perfectly fine with .223. Does anyone make an affordable 9mm upper? The best ones I could find were RRA's but I haven't done much shopping, either. I'm also okay with just buying an already-built AR and being done with it. Budget is one of my biggest concerns right now and I'd like to stay around the $700-ish range without accessories. I found this link yesterday:
    http://cmmginc.secure-mall.com/shop/?shop=1&cat=33&

    Would that be an okay way to go? :dunno: There's so many options I'm completely at a loss of which route to go. :hs:
     
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    hsmith OT Supporter

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    someone really needs to write an AR buyers guide :o
     
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    If your going to get one of those get the $625 or $650, the cheaper ones aren't chrome lined. Also try looking around the EE on Arfcom you can find a used rifle their for around $700 thats not a mismatch of parts and less banged up.

    For 9mm upper I use to have any Oly worked pretty good for me, used Sten mag's 32 rounders run about $6. RRA makes decent ones too but the mag's are more pricey $25+ I think.
     
  4. xpinchx

    xpinchx hes got a nice cock, on the thin side but its stil

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    Is there any advantage/disadvantage to the shorter barrel? I might cop out and just buy one of those to forgo all the grief that comes with picking and choosing each individual part. I'd rather just buy a gun that comes in one piece. :o
     
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    Lightsped Glockaholic

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    I have a Olympic Arms 9mm AR. So far it has ran perfectly. I have had it for about 3 or so years. No problems whatsoever.
     
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    If your shooting over 400-500 yards you will get better results with a longer barrel, under that you won't really notice much difference.
     
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    go 16" barrel.
     
  8. xpinchx

    xpinchx hes got a nice cock, on the thin side but its stil

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    How much more is .223 ammo than 9mm?

    And is .223 = 5.56?

    Also, this gun isn't primarily for home defense, but would .223 do any amount of damage, or is it only slightly better than .22LR? :o
     
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    .223 != 5.56, although they are largely similar.

    If you have an AR chambered for .223 it is *NOT* safe to shoot 5.56

    If you have an AR chambered for 5.56 it *IS* safe to shoot .223


    My S&W MP15 is chambered for 5.56 so I can safely put both types of ammo in it -- which is good if I ever pick up some milsurp.


    As for home defense, you have to be concerned with over-penetration... However, .223 is excellent for CQB.


    As for ammo costs, .223 is more expensive. Lets be honest -- MUCH more expensive.

    Honestly, although a 9mm AR is fun to shoot, I just don't see it as a practical carbine. I certainly would recommend a 5.56 AR as a "first" AR and then you can work on another AR for diff cals.
     
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    223 is alot more then 9mm. 5.56 and .223 not quite the same some pressure differences but ar's will shoot either fine. They make frangible .223 that would be fine for home defense.
     
  11. xpinchx

    xpinchx hes got a nice cock, on the thin side but its stil

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    :hs: How much is a box of 50 .223? Is 5.56 any cheaper?
     
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    about $200 for 1000 rounds of .223 (wolf) closer to $400 for brass cased stuff.
    5.56 .223 same prices.
     
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    :nono:no shooting 5.56 in a 223 chambered barrel
     
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    Any decent nonmatch AR will have milspec 5.56 chamber.
     
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    50 rounds of .223 off the shelf will run you about $20. Mail order you can get that down to about $16-$17.

    9mm is about $9-$10 off the shelf for 50 rounds and about $7-$8 mail order or in cases of 500 from a place like Dick's.

    Buying both in bulk will save you money. Natchez recently (may still have) .223 Remington UMC for about $330/1000.

    To me though, everyone needs a .223 AR. Only when you have those, should you start to look at the alternate chamberings.
     
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    Time to buy some reloading equipment
     
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    Technically I agree with you, but I have high standards on what I consider "decent".

    For a "rule of thumb" I would not tell someone that 5.56 is okay unless they know they have a 5.56 chamber.
     
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    You can get a .223 AR and get a ciener conversion kit for .22lr for cheap plinking. I'm seriously thinking about doing that.
     
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    So if 5.56 is a higher pressure version of .223;

    Does that mean that 7.62NATO is a higher pressure version of .308?
     
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    what if i have another .223 rifle, then can i get a non.223 AR ?
     
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    7.62 NATO is 7.62x51mm while .308 commonly refers to 7.62x39mm round. They are two different rounds all together.
     
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    .223 ammo has become increasingly "harder" to get recently. It has nearly doubled in price in the past few years. I remember when we would buy a case (1,000 rounds) for $100 and change of the good stuff.

    And YES, .223 is a considerably effective and devastating round, and is not anything even remotely close to a .22lr ballistic wise. It is in fact one of our primary bullets issued to our military, hence the reason why it has become increasingly scarse, amoungst other things.

    Judging by your questions, I'd highly suggest going to AR15.com and do a ton more reading and don't be too quick to dive into one rite now, sounds like you may have more questions you need answered.

    GL
     
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    Here's a question that has been answered, but i want to verify.

    Is it the lower or the upper that requires an FFL? I am thinking it is the lower...does it matter if it is a complete or stripped lower?


    If i am right, i could buy a stripped lower from the gun show coming up next weekend...and order everything else online, and have it shipped to my house right?
     
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    yeah, it's the lower that's registered. As with most guns it's the receiver/frame portion that's serialized.
     
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