A&P I'm looking for a good package v.NikonD70orD80

Discussion in 'Lifestyle' started by Danoldo, Oct 15, 2006.

  1. Danoldo

    Danoldo Lollercaust

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    Looking for brand new, not used.

    I want a good package. I would like the camera with the starter kit, but also a couple *decent to good* lenses with it.

    I have a tripod and little shit, but basically I want to buy something in one purchase all up front.

    My biggest fear is making sure I dont get piece of shit lenses. I'd like a zoom lens (somewhere in the range of 70-300MM...or it doesn't even have to be that big if I can get a good range aperature.....

    and then probably a macro lens....

    I'm pretty open to different packages, just want to make sure all the equipment i'd be getting with it would be more Quality > quantity.
     
  2. Danoldo

    Danoldo Lollercaust

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    Probably looking around the $1,000 dollar range. Obviously it'll be a bit more if its the D80.

    Also, is the D80 THAT much better than the D70?
     
  3. Steve325

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    you're kinda in a shitty situation. You'd almost be better off getting the D70 and just spending the extra couple of bucks on some good glass. There's no point in buying the D80 if you're just gonna slap some shitty lens on it.

    Don't buy into those starter lens kits, just buy them used from keh.com
     
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  5. Danoldo

    Danoldo Lollercaust

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    I'm not going to ever spend money on a shitty lens.

    IMO, saving up for the right thing is much better than spending less on something you never wanted :dunno:
     
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    Danoldo Lollercaust

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    Also, I know the D70 is a great camera..

    How much better is the D80 and why
     
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    The D80 is a better camera, sure, but the D70 will be plenty to get you going.

    Photography's been a hobby of mine for many years, went from a 30 year old film camera to a D70 in 2004. In a bit over 2 years and 6500 photographs I still haven't outgrown the camera, the best upgrades I've done are the 18-200mm VR lens and an SB600 flash. Those are both portable to another body, if I want.

    The best thing a camera can do is NOT get in the way of you taking photographs. The camera's just a tool, and if you can use it effectively then you'll take great photos.

    I don't think I'd take much better photos if I had a D80. Maybe a little better, but it wouldn't be earth shattering.
     
  8. Evan

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    The 18-70 kit lens is a good lens, regardless of what everyone says. ("its a kit lens it must be garbage!")

    For telephoto, you cannot go wrong with the 80-200 F/2.8 (for both performance and price)
     
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    If you need f/2.8 for action in low light, get the 80-200. Otherwise get the 18-200 and then you don't have to change lenses from wide to tele.

    With my 18-200 I've had sharp photos at 1/15th at 200mm!! that's at least 4 stops below what I could do with a regular lens. f/2.8 gives you 2 stops over f/5.6. The only reason to get an f/2.8 lens is because it gives you faster shutter speeds for freezing motion. besides that, it's a whole lot of lens to lug around everywhere.

    oh and :werd: to the 18-70 being a good lens. I have my 18-200 with a UV filter on it for general use and my 18-70 ready to go with a polariser for taking landscapes.
     
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    it's hard to stay in the 1,000 dollar price range and get good equipment.

    i'd reccomend a d70 and a 50 f/1.8 or a 60mm f/2.8 (macro) or an 18-70. any of those lenses will keep you in your 1k price range and all of them are good. the best lens is the 60mm macro. fantastic lens.

    also remember:

    good camera with GREAT glass<--best
    GREAT camera with okay glass<--worst
     
  11. phish

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    D80 ftw
     
  12. Danoldo

    Danoldo Lollercaust

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    unfortunately, for my price range, everyone's been disagreeing with you.

    I've had my "photography" hobby for over 5 years and I'm good. I learned on the camera I have now, but it is a P&S (F717), which has an ok lens, but obviously, it isnt interchangable. I have been at a standstill now with it for quite some time because my expertise is >>>>>> the camera.
     
  13. 1200mk

    1200mk Still same OG

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    save up for the d80 and get the 50 f/1.8 to get used to it. Then save up for more glass
     
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    Is the 50mm really necessary on a digital SLR? I know the 1.8 is super fast, but with the d80's ability to shoot fairly noise free at higher iso's, why not bump it up. I remember from film that you needed fast lenses to keep your film speed down, but thought that was going away with the better digitals...

    I'm in the same boat as the OP, but was considering just getting the kit 18-55 and the 70-300mm, as recommended by kenrockwell:

    Of course he recommends the 18-200VR, but he says that if you can't afford it, the other two lenses function well. He goes on to recommend both in individual pages:

    and: (70-300)


    thoughts?

    I'd love to get a 18-200, but can't justify the cost or waiting list right now.
     
  15. SenenCito

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    GODDAMNIT what is it with people quoting Ken Rockwell...might as well quote Tomash while you're at it.
     
  16. Kinks

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    ugh.
     
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    because he's right :mamoru:
     
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    Is that bad information?

    I'm really interested, as i'm about to pull the trigger on a 80 with the 18-55 and 70-300 myself... If there is a better option, lemme know.

    Oh, and Donaldo - If you can afford it, here's what i'm planning on purchasing. I believe this setup may work for you, as it includes the zoom lens, which would be required to get good surfing shots:

    (all from amazon.com)

    d80 w/ 18-55mm kit lens - 1099.95
    70-300mm D lens - 179.00
    2x 2gb Kingston SD card - 34.95 each - 69.98 - I plan on shooting RAW images...
    For a grand total of: 1348.96

    I don't see a better way to start out. Plenty of memory, 2 good lenses that span 18 to 300mm, and the latest Nikon available...
     
  19. 1200mk

    1200mk Still same OG

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    both of those lens are caca
     
  20. phish

    phish hockey crew

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    Yeah, I know that D80 w/ shitty glass is worse off than D70 with great glass.


    But, why don't you WAIT and SAVE UP for a D80 w/ GREAT glass?

    D80 w/ great glass > all of the variables
     
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    Save up and get the D80, the screen alone is worth it.
     
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    so...

    any other input on the setup i'm aiming for?

    better choices at similar prices?
     
  23. SenenCito

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    at least the 70-300 isn't THAT bad


    this is what I would do if I was starting



    1. Nikon D80 10.2MP Digital SLR Camera Body (Lens Not Included) [QNTY 1]
    2. Sandisk 2 GB Ultra II Secure Digital Memory Card [QNTY 1]
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    +

    Tamron Zoom Wide Angle-Telephoto AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di LD Aspherical (IF) Autofocus Lens for Nikon AF-D
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    total $1400.00 plus shipping
     
  24. Tedrzz

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    D2Xs w/ 70-200 VR, 17-35 f/2.8, 28-70 f/2.8 :mamoru: :mamoru:
     

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