MIL I want to switch to the Air Force

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  1. kazimer

    kazimer New Member

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    Currently I am an Army Officer
    branched Engineer. The Corps of engineers military sector is pretty much dead. i am working division level staff right now as a protocol officer

    not really what i envisioned when i joined.

    i want to be a pilot (any air frame rotary or fixed wing) and not give up my commission (i would have to drop to warrant in army to fly choppers for more than 1.5 years)

    is it difficult to put in an intraservice transfer?
    anyone done it?
     
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    Ranger-AO I'm here for the Taliban party. Moderator

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    probably much more complicated for officer than for enlisted. But that is a wild guess on my part.

    cliffs: i know nothing.
     
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    :rofl:
    so for enlisted is it not that big of a hassle?
    some of my OCS mates were prior Air Force enlistees but at that time i didnt know the doors of opportunity in the army were closing all around me so i never asked :o

    cliffs: i dont know what i just said
     
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    Actually right now it is much easier to move from the AF to the Army. There is a tidal wave of pressure to move personnel in that direction. It is extremely hard to go the opposite direction.

    There is a whole "blue to green" program built around the concept of moving from the AF or Navy to the Army. Bonus $$ tossed around like monopoly money, pressure to approve the transfers, etc.

    The first place for you to start is with an AF officer recruiter. They will have the answers, and will be able to honestly tell you what your chances are.
     
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    thanks for the responses :cool:

    Yeah I completely forgot about that Blue to Green program. Guess that kind of kills my chances lol. Besides I would rather stay in the army if I had an opportunity to do the things I initially joined for or even what my new train of thought has lead me to :hs:

    i guess the next question is: would it be worth it to demote from 2LT to W1 to be a pilot?
     
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    What are your long-term (beyond 5+ years) goals?
     
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    The more I think about it, the more I dont think I know or that it changes all the time. Ultimately I would like a job where I get to hone the specialty i trained for much like when i was a civilian engineer. you have responsibility as a manager but you are still an engineer and do engineer work.

    i dont want to be all technician nor do i want to be all manager :hs:
     
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    Not going to happen...sorry. Right now there is a Blue -> Green program in effect where junior officers such as yourself can transfer to the Army. Not the other way around. Air Force is downsizing army is upsizing from 465-550,000.
     
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    I guess I should have read the thread...apparently there are a number of officers doing it. Also you tend not to lose that much pay going down to warrant. I guess the pluss side would be that you'd assume NICOD status.

    (Not In Charge Of Dick)
     
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    so you have an engineering degree? From what im told the AF is always looking for good pilots with a degree in engineering
    you cant hurt to ask

    though i know we are trying to cut back a lot of the officer class
     
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    well hopefully the army will be filling its ranks with good people from the air force and not thet dirt bags

    lol i havent heard of that term before. i think i am not worried so much about the pay as the fact that i put all of that effort in getting through OCS and i wonder if i would get that feeling of "i should be a field grade by now"

    so what are your duties now? i remember when i first joined this board you were a SIGO and i think you said you were slotted for major recently?
    does this fall into your idea of what you wanted out of the army?
     
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    yeah all of the pilots i talked to have a degree in engineering
    but with all of these cutbacks it would probably be a useless venture
     
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    but we always need good pilots
     
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    While there is the blue to green program, pilots will not be included in the cutbacks. The AF is always looking for pilots but it is extremely competitive, and there are more than enough applicants. You may have a chance, if it were anything other than pilot, you'd be screwed.
     
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    should i become a pilot in the army first?
    i wouldnt mind flying apaches until i can no longer do it as a commissioned officer

    im sure after learning how to fly choppers i could learn to fly another helicopter...or maybe move over to the sexy sexy A-1o :wackit:
     
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    I imagine it is tough going from one airframe to another, much more tough going from one method of flight to another.
     
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    are you fucking kidding me? As a warrant you get to fly all the time, no bullshit in the job at all. you'll never have to have a command, never be responsible for a unit. and you'll make friends with a CW5 and he will watch your back more than any senior officer ever would.
     
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    good luck




    aka - not going to happen :(
     
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    :rofl:
    i dont know why thats so funny :wtc:
     
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    you are a chinook pilot correct? im interested in flying either the chinook or the apache
    its very tempting to want to go warrant
    though it seems salary would top out pretty quickly....not that i am doing anything solely for money
     
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    military money is weak compared to civilian yes, but if you fly its a good time
     
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    job satisfaction > salary
    so do you like not having to deal with soldiers etc etc

    i think i would kind of miss that. right now being in protocol i had 4 soldiers (2 deros'd) but its actually a great thing being able to help them out with life decisions and seeing them do well for their life
     
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    what do you mean? not dealin with soldiers
     
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    not even sure. i guess being in charge of soldiers similar to platoon leaders and company commanders. from what i understood the warrant officer is the technical expert and performs his duties as such, not to be bothered with dealing with personal problems of your soldiers.

    dunno i dont really know much about warrant officers and my ignorance is showing as i type this out :o
     

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