Those things kick my ass almost as much as DLs. I don't even use a lot of weight, but it really gets me sweating. If you do them, post up your #'s and how long you've been doing them. 2 weeks reps x weight 15x95 12x95 10x105 6x125 And I finally got a new pair of gym shoes. After trying on quite a few pairs, I found these to be the most "neutral" and squat/deadlift friendly: They're the Nike Free Trainer 7.0's...ccrooks recommended the Free's to me a while back in one of my threads and I finally got around to trying a pair on. Good call ccrooks Edit: Story specifically for Phineas Q Stork- These two ~17 year olds were in the gym working out. One of them was doing DB incline press with 45's and asked me to help him get the weights up. I didn't really have to help him, but I saw that he struggled with it...I watched him do his set and noticed he wasn't bringing the weights down anywhere near his chest. When he finished his set, I asked him if he normally has problems getting the DB's up for the first rep, which he said yes to. I told him to use a much greater range of motion and actually showed him how low to go and explained that I had the same problem and increasing my ROM fixed it. He was like "cool, thanks." Needless to say, he did his next set with the same poor ROM and his sets of BB incline were even worse. Turns out the guy works there.