A&P I really liked this photo, so please help me make it better

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  1. lemans23

    lemans23 PV - The Vision of Sound

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    I went to USGP this past weekend, and took with me my new lens:
    http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=150&modelid=7444

    I was sitting in a stand which is about 1/4 to 1/3 mile away from these turns here, and I was shooting at 300mm handheld at ISO 800 because I forgot to switch it back from the previous night :wtc:

    Anyway, what I'm wondering is, how could I improve on this photo besides getting a new lens, and getting a better seat? I'm planning on going to a few racing events and trying out more stuff there, so any and everything is appreciated. The body is a 20D. Here's the pic:

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    -Dave
     
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    It is like all photos taken with those cheap telephoto's....desaturated and low contrast. :hs:

    Get a better lens and a better seat....:bigthumb:
     
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    ouch. One of the worst tele zooms in Canon's lineup.
     
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    It is hopeless.... :hs:


    Need to get closer so you are not @ 300mm...I bet at 200mm the lens is a ton better.
     
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    Jonny Chimpo OT Supporter

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    :werd:

    It's out of focus/soft, no contrast or saturation, too much field and not enough car, and editing I should have my head examined for editing (at least) a second generation JPG.

    However, that lens really isn't much better at 200 than it is at 300. It really is one of the worst lenses Canon makes. The 70-300 IS USM is assloads better.
     
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    lemans23 PV - The Vision of Sound

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    I feel so much better :(

    What should I do then, just bite the bullet and snag a better lens, or see if I can't get better with this one? I mean, I'm working on a 18 yr old budget w/o a job, and it's my only other lens beside the kit lens. So, if you could recommend me a lens, I'd very much appreciate it.
     
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    lemans23 PV - The Vision of Sound

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    Oh, and the field is necessary, as the other car being out of focus is just as important as the one that is supposed to be in focus. The front car is the rookie Lewis Hamilton who is stealing the spotlight from 2x world champion Fernando Alonso, who is behind him :mamoru:
     
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    How many of these events are you going to do? does it make sense to look at renting a lens?
     
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    lemans23 PV - The Vision of Sound

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    I haven't the faintest idea, so no, it doesn't make sense to use rentglass or the like. The problem with renting lenses for me is that photography is not my primary hobby, and I only photograph things when I see something. I don't have any actual engagements that I could base my photography needs off of, it's just amateur stuff. I used an Elan 7 for a few years which I still love, so I decided to get a DSLR to save money on film. I got loads of nice pics with the kit 18-55 ef-s, but I needed more reach, thus, I bought this here lens. :hs:
     
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    Get better with this lens. Given you budget and use, then it's not worth it to spend the money for the upgrade now.

    Tips to get better:

    - Get closer to the action. I know you can usually walk around at these races, so try to get closer to the track.
    - Get a GOOD circular polarizer and learn to use it properly, it will help with contrast and saturation. (by good, I mean at least a Hoya, a cheap filter will just make a bad situation worse with that lens)
    - If you have a cheap UV filter on your lens, take it off.
    - Use manual exposure mode and chimp the histogram to get the best exposure for midday shooting.
    - Double check your ISO before shooting. (I use a 20D also, and forgetting to set the ISO is an easy thing to do)
    - Don't use any in camera sharpness/contrast adjustments.
    - Learn how to properly adjust levels or curves and USM in Photoshop.

    Practice, practice, practice.
     
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    jared_IRL OT Supporter

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    can you host the origional?

    Shot in jpg or raw?


    I'll give it a shot, but it's worthless playing with a cropped, resized jpg...
     
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    lemans23 PV - The Vision of Sound

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    Yeah see, I keep telling myself that the lens is fine, and that it's me who needs to improve. I looked at pics taken with this lens in worse or same bodies, and the pics weren't half bad at all. So, I know that good quality pics are possible, it's just up to me to get them set.

    Any suggestions on a tripod? It seems that whenever I shoot in low light on the tripod, I cannot for whatever reason get any shots in focus. I thought that I upgraded my tripod as it were. Went from a plastic POS Slik to this:
    http://www.amvona.com/?page=shop/flypage&view=1&product_id=1919

    Is it the tripod's fault, or am I doing something wrong with the camera? Thanks. :)
     
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    lemans23 PV - The Vision of Sound

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    It was shot in RAW, dunno how to upload a RAW file. I only cropped the photo myself, as there was a lot of the stand in the way.
     
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    lemans23 PV - The Vision of Sound

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    Dunno, looks way too contrasty and the noise from the wrong ISO is very apparent.
     
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    A good tripod isn't going to help you with saturation/contrast...and you will need a fast enough shutter speed to handhold in order to shoot a car moving at 200mph anyway.... It is the lens dude. Shoot at less than 300mm and not wide open and it will look better.
     
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    xpinchx hes got a nice cock, on the thin side but its stil

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    The main thing I did was a hue/sat layer to shift the yellows in the grass to more green and darkened them. I didn't mask at all so that might be why it's so constrasty. :dunno: I did a small s-curve but it was pretty subtle. It looked a lot different in photoshop than it does in firefox for some reason.
     
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    lemans23 PV - The Vision of Sound

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    No no, the tripod is to help get the low light photos crisp and sharp in focus.
     
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    this pic still has potential...hopefully you get some help in this thread.
     
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    lemans23 PV - The Vision of Sound

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    Thank you. :)
     
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    on second review my edit looks like it was scanned from a magazine... the noize / softness is pretty bad :hs:
     
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    mobbarley ftw.

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    I have a ef 75-300 i've been playing with.. (from my mom's 35mm rebel..) It seems to shoot ok pics @ full zoom. Is this lens really 480mm since the 1.6 conversion -> digital?
     

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