GUN I obtain my CCW in 33 days v. Missouri Gun Laws?

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  1. Admitted

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    When is it OK to shoot?

    I read some statues on self-defense and it was way too concise to be anything of value.

    Basically said: It is OK to shoot of you feel your life in in danger and you are not the initiator of the confrontation, or you fear for the life of someone else who is incapable of defending themselves from murder/physical harm/rape/sodomy.

    Anyone care to elaborate on when it is OK to fire?:cool:
     
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    i dont think the right question is "when is it okay to shoot", i think the right question is "when do i have no other option BUT to shoot"

    as for that, i dont know :dunno:
     
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    You always have an option not to shoot.
     
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    if the option not to shoot ends up with you dead, its not an option.
     
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    It is an option, just a bad one.
     
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    why would you even consider death an option :ugh2: minus whale not carry a gun amirite
     
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    Logical Reasoning > You.

    I am guessing you have never taken a logic or philosophy course.
     
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    www.handgunlaw.us

    Go there and find the link for Missouri regarding its carry laws.

    Wasn't this covered in your class?
     
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    Sorry, I should have said "applying". Class is in 33 days.
     
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    Could run away screaming like a little girl.







    IBthathappenstomesomeday
     
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    Nothing like trying to take someone's helpful advice and trying to play dumb word games with it :rofl:
     
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    Thanks for the info. Should read that start to finish over the weekend!
     
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    I have taken logic and I've taken a number of philosophy courses.

    Please explain to me why you would even consider dying as an option.
     
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    Yes everyone knows that the _literal_ defintion of option of not shooting and getting killed/harmed is there. You know that's not what the poster meant, if you have as much of reading comprehension as you do "logical reasoning".
     
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    :werd:

    since I don't want to die, it's not an option :hsughno:
     
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    The option still exists. IE - Not owning a firearm.
     
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    Having taken my CCW from a Prosecuting Attorney in MO, I'll give you what he told me.

    The attacker must have the Opportunity to attack you. They must be attempting to actually do it that means the threat is imminent,, and they must have the means to attack you. fist vs. you isn't going to cut it for you to use deadly force. There has to be a disparity of force. Which means that the the attacker must have a weapon, must be of known fighting skill, or must be bigger than you, or there must be multiple attackers.

    If one of those three things are missing, it's unjustified.
     
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    It's ok if you have tons of money for attorney's costs from civil lawsuit(s). :o

    The leading self defense attorney for MO is in KC and has a book/DVD out. Cost is $50 though.

    http://www.kljamisonlaw.com/
     
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    Thanks for the info guys! Jeepilot - that was the basis of the rest of the statue. I was more concerned about the recovery of property/robbery/carjacking/ castle law, if applicable in MO, etc. Special circumstance stuff.

    If I ever reached for a pistol, I would have to be in a state of sheer terror. I've taken a couple months of Krav Maga and am continuing to do so as soon as this busy semester/LSAT stuff is over. I'm more concerned with the property aspect and for any SO or friend of mine in a dangerous situation. I know that the same statutes/conditions apply, as if I were the sole person involved, as long as that person/friend/SO could not protect themselves.
     
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    I don't know what you mean by property, but in Missouri you are NOT allowed to defend your property unless it is a forceable felony. As in, if someone is carjacking or robbing you at gunpoint. Then you can use force.

    As far as what happens if you do use your weapon in the defense of your life, you will most likely have your weapon taken away and impounded as evidence until you are cleared and the shooting has been justified. You may or may not have to get a lawyer to get it back, but that may depend on circumstances, and the jurisdiction you're in.
     
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    I meant once they take it. For example, you let someone take your car, close the door, then shoot them. Or give your wallet up, they turn and then a pop-pop. I know is sounds sadistic but that is the only way I can describe that use of force.
     
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    No, at the point at which they begin to run away, you can't shoot them...but you shouldn't ever let it get to that anyway.

    What you probably would be justified in doing would be getting in front of the vehicle, and if they come at you, then you can "stand your ground" and engage. The wallet thing would be that you would have to engage them before they turned to run. "dropping" the wallet usually helps with this.

    After they've taken your property and ran, or are "no longer a threat" it gets very gray about whether or not you can shoot them. Unfortunately we don't have the same laws as texas where you can use deadly force to defend property. If that's what you were asking, no we don't.
     
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    Yes it was. I plan to move to TX or AZ after law school actually. Thank you so much for all the info!
     

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