Discussion in 'OT Technology' started by Grifter, Jul 11, 2006.
my boss says i need to get with the times
I hated dreamweaver at first, and stuck to homesite but once I gave in, the litlte things make it awesome
i also liked homesite as an html editor
probably because it was the first one i used
I would use notepad before anything eles aswell...
nothing wrong with notepad and commandline ftp
it's basic and it works, no issues
dreamweaver is also great, makes things MUCH easier
If you can handle notepad and command line ftp, fuck all the other crap.
vi > emacs > pico > notepad
I hate dreamweaver. Although notepad is not good, either. I use Visual SlickEdit. It's a basic text editor with customizable color-coding and advanced programatic functionality... It also retains a built-in FTP and SSH client, which is nice.
Look into a replacement for notepad that adds some of these features.
Having the ability to see your UIs on the same screen as you are editing them on is a boost to efficiency. However you accomplish that, you should do so.
ed > *
I like Dreamweaver, but interacting with their UI is almost always a problem. I end up fucking with the code directly in the split window mode to make any edits. But getting to see the changes immediately is a huge help.
this man speaks the truth
If you don't care bout aesthetics, this is true. But if you DO, then WYSIWYG is a huge boon.
what's the advantage of using notepad nowadays besides giving the impression that you are a "hardcore l33t coder yo."
incorrect. WYSIWYG does not properly conform to the current standards. Big problem for me.
It also does not fully support PHP object orientation, specifically when dealing with the presentation layer. Again, making WYSIWYG practically useless.
Yeah, this is a huge problem with PHP
Using Perl/Catalyst, this gives me zero problems. Google://Frameworks
And its true, the code that gets spit out isn't standards compliant. But it does display correctly in all modern browsers, which is all I care about.
standards compliance is important to me and my clients.
Perl? yuck... and please show me how an object-oriented presentation layer written in perl is properly displayed in a design-time WYSIWYG editor, such as Dreamweaver... Because I know of no such thing.
Actualy I just embed perl code in my HTML templates using Catalyst to define views which get filled out with data. Its an MVC framework.
So I create the interface in Dreamweaver, then where data is to be filled in, I add the syntax for the presentation, and I'm off.
and none of this satisfys my requirement for an object oriented presentation layer -- that can be displayed in WYSIWYG.
Right, but can you see how nice a model-view-controller framework is, as opposed to a PHP reinvent-the-wheel system is?
doesn't "re-invent the wheel" in any way. I wrote my presentation layer, and I can continually re-use it with many different websites (and they can look dramatically different, as well).
disk editor > dos debug > copy con >vi > emacs > pico > notepad
Doing high level design using primitive tools makes you a man, yes.
has nothing to do with leetness but back then notepad > frontpage
i prefer notepad, and when the page/project gets too big i like homesite, because i learned html with those and i am hard to change
i used win98 up until about 2002