MIL I have an appointment with the Army Recruiter tomorrow

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  1. endemicW

    endemicW fffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu OT Supporter

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    Jobs I'm looking into are Healthcare Specialist (68w), Intelligence Analyst (35f), and Special Forces Canidate(18x).

    Any advice for me when I approach the recruiter for the first time? I've read the other stickies, I'm just looking for more info that anyone can give me.

    Currently, I got a 95 on my practice ASVAB, can do 40 pushups, 80 sit ups, 12 pull ups, and run the mile in 7:30.

    Before I get the flak for 18x, I boxed and did MMA training for 2 years where I got in really good shape, but the past 5 months I haven't done much cardio at all except ride a bike and lift occasionally. I can get back into very good shape, and plan on it soon. I'm 21 years old and have 3 years of college.
     
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  2. Jyokker

    Jyokker The trouser snake is very aggressive. It will corn

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    What about that fourth year of college?
     
  3. endemicW

    endemicW fffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu OT Supporter

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    I'm not sure. I've wanted to join the service since the end of freshmen year. Wasn't motivated by college, got decent grades, but became more interested in boxing than my classes. I figured that was a sign that maybe I should graduate college later and pursue other things instead.
     
  4. burn__

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    could always go for the last year and join as an officer
     
  5. tunes

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    you should finish your college...

    you can either enlist or try for OTS after you graduate...one extra year won't hurt you
     
  6. Julius

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    Please consider finishing up that last year of college.
     
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    +1 ... trust us.
     
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    Jyokker The trouser snake is very aggressive. It will corn

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    In four years from now you will wish you could go back in time and tell yourself to finish that last year of college.

    We are you... four years from now... telling you to finish college, then join as an officer.
     
  9. endemicW

    endemicW fffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu OT Supporter

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    Can you guys elaborate on what one year of college means?
     
  10. Jyokker

    Jyokker The trouser snake is very aggressive. It will corn

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    One more year of college should mean the completion of your degree.
    A degree qualifies you to apply to be an officer.

    Look up military pay grades.

    Without the degree but with three years of college, at most you would qualify to start out as an E-3 I believe.

    If you were to become an officer, you would qualitfy for O-1 pay.

    This is just looking at pay. There are other factors involved as well, such as officers not having to do crappy details to pass the time.
     
  11. brackac

    brackac Fuck all of this. OT Supporter

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    Weird mix of jobs. I personally would go 18X.
     
  12. endemicW

    endemicW fffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu OT Supporter

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    thats what interests me the most. did you do that? joining the special forces would mean a lot to me, but i understand its very difficult and an injury could give you the boot.
     
  13. Pusan

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    I signed up Marine Infantry. My old neighbor was AF Intel. Im now a waiter chugging through college, and he got out and got a job that started him at 90,000 and after he finishes his degree goes over 100,000.

    Now it all boils down to whats more important to you:

    Saying you did some cool shit.
    Having the military set you up for killer job after you complete your time.

    Now, SF would be the mixture of the two, alot of valuable and marketable job skills not to mention a high Security Clearance. But it is hard and you REALLY have to want it.

    Now, do you see the Army as a stepping stone for life or something to do just to say you did it?

    (Note: either option isn't wrong, just something to think about it. Joining the military for the "experience" is perfectly normal)

    P.s. Finish school and be an officer. You're going to go in and be older than your superiors.
     
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    a lot more pay, freedom, responsibility
     
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    finish degree. i have ~100hrs in college with only a few to go and joined instead of finishing. cant say if i wouldve enjoyed officer in MI seeing how our previous 3 XOs have been treated. I have more TIS then they did and ive only been in 2.5yrs. if you do go intel do not go 35F, go 35P if youre up for it(linguist in a decent language), 35 whatever signals analyst is, or 35T (IEW technician, what i am btw) which is a year of AIT and a large network of jobs on the civilian/contractor side. of course thats my personal opinion.
     
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    brackac Fuck all of this. OT Supporter

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    Long story short, I went from the Army to the Air Force in hopes of becoming a Combat Controller, but a shoulder injury fucked that up. Now I am back in the Army.
     
  17. tunes

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    an O-1 on casual status does a lot of BS jobs to pass the time...trust me
     
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    Jyokker The trouser snake is very aggressive. It will corn

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    Come mop the floor with me, LT.
    Come take out the trash, Lt.
    Come pull weeds from the flower bed, LT.
    Come wash the windows, LT.
    Come clean the bathrooms, LT.
    Come watch the contractor work for eight hours because he doesn't have a security clearance, LT.

    Trust me, I would rather take the BS the LT does than the BS the lower enlisted get tasked with.
     
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    maybe so. on my spiel as a casual I had to:
    organize and label an office supply closet
    make a spreadsheet inventory system for when to order new supplies
    build a bookshelf
    build plaques and put them on offices
    convert 1970s click slides to PPTs including converting the cassette tape to digital media
    etc.
     
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    You'll like 35f Huachuca is a great base for AIT
     
  21. Pusan

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    As lower enlisted I spent three days sewing thin skin humvee doors' windows back onto the door. Three. Days. This was stateside. Iraq is a diffrent level of stupid details.
     
  22. The Weasel

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    Does this apply to Signal officers? Where the hell is Turbo?
     
  23. brackac

    brackac Fuck all of this. OT Supporter

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    A little info to help you with your decision.

    If you go in for the 18X option, and something happens which keeps you from graduating the course, you more than likely will be slotted as a 11B (infantryman). The more than likely is a 90% will happen.

    Now, if you enlisted for one of the other two jobs, you can apply for SF once you get to permanent party. Then if anything happens that keeps you from completing the SF training, you will go back to the job you were previously working. In my opinion this is the way to go. In this scenario regardless of what happens, you will be working a job you selected.
     
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    brackac Fuck all of this. OT Supporter

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    As long as a person meets the requirements to apply for SF, and they are selected, there are now time in job requirements.


    Here are the requirements for enlisted persons applying for SF.

    The following criteria is required for all applicants (officers and enlisted):

    Must be an active duty male Soldier.
    Must be U.S. citizen (non-waiverable).
    Must be airborne qualified or volunteer for airborne training.
    Must score a minimum of 229 points on the Army Physical Fitness Test (APFT), with no less than 60 points on any event, using the standards for age group 17-21.
    Must be able to meet medical fitness standards as outlined in AR 40-501.
    Must be eligible for a "SECRET" security clearance (security clearance is not required to attend SFAS).
    No Soldier, regardless of Military Occupational Specialty or basic branch will be recruited if he is unable to reclassify from his current MOS or basic branch into CMF 18.
    All Soldiers will be given a 50 meter swim assessment, conducted in uniform, during SFAS to determine whether they have the aptitude to learn how to swim.
    Additional criteria exclusive to enlisted applicants:

    Enlisted applicants must be in the pay grade of E-4 to E-6 or E7s with no more than 12 years TIS and 9 months TIG. Successful completion of SFAS is a prerequisite to the SFQC.
    Must be a high school graduate or have a general equivalency diploma (GED).
    Must have a general technical (GT) score of 100 or higher.
    Stabilization of current drill sergeants and detailed recruiters will not be broken.
    Specialists, Corporals, and Sergeants who successfully complete SFAS will normally have their Retention Control Point waived to attend the SFQC. Upon successful completion of SFQC, they will be allowed continued service. Staff Sergeants approaching their RCP will not be allowed to apply. Each Sergeant First Class (SFC) must have no more than 12 years time in service and nine months time in grade when applying for SFAS and must be either airborne or ranger qualified. SFCs must also be able to PCS to the SFQC within six months of selection from SFAS.
    Soldiers on assignment will not be allowed to attend SFAS without their branch’s prior approval. Soldiers on orders to a short tour area will be allowed to attend SFAS if a deferment is not required. These individuals will be scheduled for the next available SFQC after their DEROS. Soldiers who volunteer for SFAS prior to receiving assignment notification will be deferred to allow SFAS attendance. For SFAS graduates, assignment to the SFQC will take precedence over any assignment conflict.
    OCONUS-based Soldiers may attend SFAS in a TDY and return status anytime during their tour. Upon successful completion of SFAS, Soldiers will be scheduled for the next available SFQC provided they have completed at least two-thirds of their overseas assignment obligation and have received HRC approval for curtailment of the remainder of their overseas tour obligation. Soldiers serving on a short tour will not have their assignment curtailed.
    CONUS-based Soldiers may attend SFAS in a TDY and return status anytime during their tour. Upon successful completion of SFAS, Soldiers will be scheduled to attend the SFQC ensuring that they will have completed at least one-year time on station prior to PCS.
    Must have a minimum of 36 months remaining Time in Service (TIS) upon completion of the SFQC.
     
  25. endemicW

    endemicW fffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu OT Supporter

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    thanks brackac.

    I spoke with the recruiter today. He was a little on the "Xtreme" side of things, showing me pictures of him skateboarding in korea and on saddam hussiens soccer field, but i figured thats why they slotted him in recruiting. he said he was apart of socom as a medic, didn't really get into much further detail.

    the "xtreme" stuff was the only thing that put me off. otherwise, he seemed like a stand up guy who I could trust, even though he complimented me about things like a salesman. He offered to take me running and give me tips on how to push my distances/speed.

    i know you are all telling me to go the route of OST. i hear that loud and clear. I can tell you currently I am more interested in service than my college. I am nervous, but I think thats a good thing. If I want to become an officer, I want expierence in enlistment first. I would'nt respect an officer if he had never been on the ground. Because of the amount of college credits I have, acquiring a degree online would'nt be too difficult and the years I spend as an E3 or E4 will count towards years on the pay scale for Officer.

    In regards of the 18x, i find the speed of the program to be the most alluring part. I don't have more info on the contractual aspects of it, and will acquire more as this proceeds. I'm going to talk with him more tomorrow at 1. again, thanks for the information.
     

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